I'm back. I'm sure you all are happy to see me again , ha ha.
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soozievt: I think I may have been unclear and I apologize. I disliked Sakky's attacks, not yours. In fact, I support everything you had said because that is precisely how I feel about education and you reiterated your points that I was trying to look for earlier, but couldn't find. So if someone opens up an argument, I know exactly what to look for now. Yay.
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Uh, actually, I think soozievt ultimately agreed with me that career considerations were ultimately a factor when she said:
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I do believe, however, that by attending college and becoming educated, that greater opportunities will be available. I don't see that as related as much to how much they earn but by the many options they may be afforded that will bring them satisfaction
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And that's precisely what I'm talking about.
To wit: nowhere have I ever said that all MIT students are out to earn every single possible penny they can garner. But the ability to pursue the career opportunities that you want -
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Sakky has repeatedly said that there is only one (those who are in it for the money).
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No I didn't. If you don't believe me, then please point to the quote where I specifically said that.
What I said is that is that people want
the career opportunities that they desire, whatever those opportunities may be, and whether those opportunities are high-paying or not.
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I don't want to go to college to get a degree. Screw that. If it were possible to get into grad school without a BS then I would probalby do just that, unless I got the BS by doing what I wanted anyways. Caltech and MIT (along with other rigorous schools) were both up high on my list in terms of choice because of their academic rigor, and let me tell you, I honeslty do not care if I live in a **** hole for the rest of my life as long as I can do what I want to do, learn what I want to learn, and research what I want to research.
Money means nohting to me, and never has. So there's at least one person in this world that does not fit your assumptions of why one goes to college: it is most certailny not to get a degree. I go because I want to learn.
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Interesting. Would you really be willing to tell the adcom that - specifically that you don't really care about graduating? Somehow I think that's going to hurt your chances of getting admitted. I doubt that there are many adcom officers who want to admit somebody who isn't really interested in actually graduating.
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I agree with Sakky in that MANY people go to college, or even aim for brand-name colleges instead of lesser ones in order to increase their economic opportunity. However, that is not MY motive. Neither is it for MANY OTHERS. Thus, there is nothing more to argue about there. The only time such an argument is constructive is if someone argues and disagrees about the "most", but time and time again in this post, even if the arguments sometimes consist of the "most" quantifier, the disagreements are directed towards "you".
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Actually, I would say that there is still a lot to argue about. Consider the thought exercise - let's say that MIT provided absolutely no boost in career opportunities whatsoever.
None. That is, we live in a world where an MIT graduate has the exact same career opportunity choice set that somebody who never went at all. Be honest - how many people would still want to go?