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Should I be more clear - didn't I already point out that UCB and UCLA have admit rates in the low to mid 20s - so they aren't exactly good "safety" schools?
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well i said that i meant CC kids since most of cc kids tend to be in the top 10 percent of the academic field and a lot of them have good shot at ivies. if you are applying to the ivies chances are you will use ucla and berkeley as safeties for californians