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That's a good point. For eample, the monk-mingus ensemble from princeton recently won the best student jazz ensemble over Eastman, UNT, Oberlin, etc... it was an upset, to say the least.
Of course, that's probably not likely to happen again for very many years, but I think that the best ensembles come from the students going there, not necessarily the faculty (though it helps) or the program.
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