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mnozzi · 12-26-2006, 06:57 PM

DStark --

Intellectual -- here's a definition I found on the web -- An intellectual is a person who uses his or her intellect to work, study, reflect, speculate on, or ask and answer questions with regard to a variety of different ideas.

Yes - I think Penn is more intellectual then MI. Why because acceptance is not just about GPA and ACT scores. They are looking at the entire person. All singing and dancing.

Why do I say this --here's just one example -- last year one of my friends was admitted to UM Honors and rejected by Yale, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Northwestern and Chicago. If you want more examples I can get them.

GOBLUE81. --What I was referring to was your statement -- if they have a GPA of 3.9 and a 31 on the ACT they probably won't bother trying for a higher ACT score. Right they don't need it for UM especially if they are in state.

Also that is the top student. The majority of students do not have a 3.9 and a score higher then 31. And I'd bet a large percent that do are in the Honors college or are from OOS.

Also, I bet you are an engineer or a math major. You are good at the quantitative concepts but you often overlook qualitative concepts. I'm 17 and am smart enough to know that with a 3.7+ (mostly honors and AP's from two different very good high schools), 30 ACT, athlete, Class officier, with a more EC's -- that I'm not that special. There are a lot of people smarter then me, more athletic then me, with better leadership skills. If anything I am the UM profile. I am not Ivy material and will be denied by the top LAC's. Why can't you be just as objective about UM.

Alexandre

Yes other students are for studying for SAT's and ACT's -- the difference they know they need to get 32/33 or higher to go IVY or to a top LAC.
These are not the same students who have gotten a 25 and are studying to get a 28/29 to get into MI.

If UM is within the top 15 undergraduate schools in the country what are the 14 schools above them. Even when the top LAC's are excluded UM never makes the top 20 national universities.

To all you -- I am just trying to present a different case for a school that I think I know something about. There's a lot of parents and kids who read CC. They are using what you say as a guide for a school to attend. Yes there are weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses. It's easy to find out about the quantitative parts of a school and decide if you are a good fit. It's hard to determine if a school's a good fit if the negative concepts are never discussed.

Also, there's a lot of kids who are being rejected from UM. In MI this is failure for a lot of them. They need to know there are other schools that are just as good that could be a good or even better match.

12-26-2006, 06:57 PM	#253
mnozzi Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 79	OK -- I'll try again to defend myself DStark -- Intellectual -- here's a definition I found on the web -- An intellectual is a person who uses his or her intellect to work, study, reflect, speculate on, or ask and answer questions with regard to a variety of different ideas. Yes - I think Penn is more intellectual then MI. Why because acceptance is not just about GPA and ACT scores. They are looking at the entire person. All singing and dancing. Why do I say this --here's just one example -- last year one of my friends was admitted to UM Honors and rejected by Yale, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Northwestern and Chicago. If you want more examples I can get them. GOBLUE81. --What I was referring to was your statement -- if they have a GPA of 3.9 and a 31 on the ACT they probably won't bother trying for a higher ACT score. Right they don't need it for UM especially if they are in state. Also that is the top student. The majority of students do not have a 3.9 and a score higher then 31. And I'd bet a large percent that do are in the Honors college or are from OOS. Also, I bet you are an engineer or a math major. You are good at the quantitative concepts but you often overlook qualitative concepts. I'm 17 and am smart enough to know that with a 3.7+ (mostly honors and AP's from two different very good high schools), 30 ACT, athlete, Class officier, with a more EC's -- that I'm not that special. There are a lot of people smarter then me, more athletic then me, with better leadership skills. If anything I am the UM profile. I am not Ivy material and will be denied by the top LAC's. Why can't you be just as objective about UM. Alexandre Yes other students are for studying for SAT's and ACT's -- the difference they know they need to get 32/33 or higher to go IVY or to a top LAC. These are not the same students who have gotten a 25 and are studying to get a 28/29 to get into MI. If UM is within the top 15 undergraduate schools in the country what are the 14 schools above them. Even when the top LAC's are excluded UM never makes the top 20 national universities. To all you -- I am just trying to present a different case for a school that I think I know something about. There's a lot of parents and kids who read CC. They are using what you say as a guide for a school to attend. Yes there are weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses. It's easy to find out about the quantitative parts of a school and decide if you are a good fit. It's hard to determine if a school's a good fit if the negative concepts are never discussed. Also, there's a lot of kids who are being rejected from UM. In MI this is failure for a lot of them. They need to know there are other schools that are just as good that could be a good or even better match.