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Old 06-10-2007, 08:25 PM   #53
RubenB84
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That's absurd, and avoids the question that was posed (would HES students be totally happy with a hypothetical new requirement to write down Extension School when listing their credentials?).
The answer is no because that would be singling out the Extension School when no other college in the FAS is forced to do that.

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There is no policy that forces HES folk to omit the words Extension School in describing their affiliation.....There is no policy that forces HES folk to omit the words Extension School in describing their affiliation.
Since there is no policy to force them to do so, yes they do choose to omit whatever other grads of certain colleges choose to do so. And yes it is important that it is part of the FAS. This is the issue that you cannot get around and are trying to. The Presidents office or the daycare center does not confer OFFICIAL Harvard degrees, siserune. This the point that you are failing to acknowledge. I dont even know if I should continue to argue with you if cannot understand this basic concept.

There are no facts on your end. I have disputed most of them and you keep coming back with more. The standards that HES had regarding its degree plans are as solid as any other degree plan within the FAS. Just because there are some that pass themselves off as College students (it should be noted that most of these bad seeds are NOT degree canidates at HES) does not demean the entire ALB or ALM program.


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No, that really ignores and blunts what the UC text says clearly is its emphasis. It is not a matter of "keeping the distinction", whatever that means; it is stated as maintaining the integrity of the degree, meaning of course the degrees from the College. They even refer to the currency (apparently in the economic sense) of Harvard degrees, and the measure can be seen as an attempt to reduce the incidence of counterfeits. Whatever the peculiarities of the UC, they are if nothing else a sample of undergraduate opinion, and an overwhelming majority considered there to be a significant integrity-of-degrees issue in this seemingly obscure matter of degree reporting.
Like Sakky stated earlier its nothing more than a turf battle and it shows the level of competition each school has towards each other. A College student would not want to be confused with an Extension Student, and I do not blame them. The level of prestige at the College is FAR beyond that of the ES. If any Extension student negates this then they are seriously disturbed. The UC just wanted to keep the distinction between the schools more apparent because they know that the College is superior in its admissions standards and prestige. There is a level of seperate but equal at Harvard, but that still doesnt translate into the "currency" of each degree. A College degree is worth far more than an ES degree, but that doesnt make the ES degree worthless.
Do not attempt to state that its to keep the level of "counterfeits" low because it would still not change the fact that HES grads cannot put COLLEGE as their school and cannot but AB on their resumes. There would still be a significant distinction between the schools in that they would still only be able to put ALB Harvard University on their resumes.
So AGAIN, siserune, what are you trying to prove? No ES grad can officially put College on their resumes, and if they did they would going against ES and FAS regulations. So there is no way that there will be "counterfeits" unless they purposefully break those regulations. The integrity of the College degree is safe and secured, whether or not extension studies is omitted.
Let's wait until the Faculty have a vote on this matter.
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