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Sakky, for instance, does not deny that the posing is rife at HES; he apparently takes it as a given and only claims that similar fudging happens elsewhere at Harvard. Your denials that the posing exists are completely unbelievable.
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Woah there tiger. I have never said there wasnt any posing going around HES. I mean I do believe that when HES students mention they attend Harvard, they're not lying. Most people do not understand waht the Extension School is about, so even if some do want to take advantage of that ignorance, others still do not want to go into the details of explaining the extension program. Also, Siserune, if an extension student were to explain teh whole program, I highly doubt that a person would outright neglect to see them as a member of the Harvard Community. Unless you're a total jerk, no one is going to denounce someone for continuing their education at a primo university.
Siserune, now that I am actually in Cambridge visiting some of my mates for the summer, I went over to the Extension School to see what it was all about. I found that the average person in the streets still saw the Extension School as a part of Harvard, and found the program to be pretty hard to complete all the way through. The average Bostonian see it as a pretty rigourous demanding program that most do not have time for. If anything I got the impression that it was a golden continuing ed program, and that is how you should simply view it siserune, as nothing more than a top notch continuing education program for the non traditional student.
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Hence the resounding UC vote and the cold shoulder from the faculty to Shinagel's proposals.
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I don't think the faculty has voted on the issue yet, siserune. There was no cold shoulder. Where do you dig this stuff up? From reading the link you posted the UC knows very little about the Extension School.
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On the other side there is Harvard's interest in marketing HES, so it will be interesting to see what happens with this matter if dean Shinagel pursues his ambitions.
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I think that eventually Harvard will let the Extension School omit "extension studies" from the degree. Harvard will soon peddle the Extension School as a top notch continuing ed program with ivy standards. I mean they cannot keep battling negative press all the time, they have to chime in on whats really going on with the students and their accomplishments through HES.
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The current solution is for Harvard to mislead applicants with its promotional literature for HES, take money from all sides, and hope that the issue goes away.
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Mislead? I think we have two different outlooks on this. First off, I DO think that HES misleads potential students. They actually mislead them into thinking that getting into the program is a cakewalk, and that finishing the degree is even easier by emphasizing "open enrollment". This is false. I personally had lunch with someone who is in the one of the degree programs and he told me that many people try and many people fail. Either way the Extension School makes money for Harvard. Why do you think the Extension School enrolls so many people, but only a few come out with a degree?
Siserune, I appreciate you sharing your opinions with us on this board. But this topic is getting a bit tiresome. I am actually in Cambridge typing this message to you. I have seen the Harvard campus, the ES school, and talked to several people about it. The negativity surrounding it, mainly fostered by people with an edge like you, is smoke and mirrors. Seriously, eventually, (unless it's a top tier investment bank, maybe) no one cares whether you received your degree from the ES, because in the end its a Harvard degree. This is something that you're not going to get around, no matter how many arguments you throw in here siserune. The Harvard name commands so much respect, that any degree from there will always be looked at in high regard. College kids, snobs, and naysayers can say whatever they please, the administration fully supports the efforts of the ES. I believe its time to get over it.