modestmelody

The bottom line is that no one here is qualified to tell you much of anything. You know whether you're one of the most competitive applicants from your high school class or not. If you are, you have a good shot at getting into Brown, if not, you have far less of a shot. It's really that simple. Every post on here that looks at test scores and ECs, etc doesn't really matter. Current students are not adcoms, and even if they were they weren't reading your full application anyway. Prospective students certainly don't have much of a handle as to what it "takes", other than this set of information: http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...ndfigures.html
which is publicly released each year. There may be a more "intensive" numbers report available elsewhere on Brown's page, but if you think this is strictly a numbers game, you're wrong.

So if you're here and nervous about getting in-- good! The admit rate makes Brown University one of the most difficult schools to get into, but chances are, you're not applying unless you know you're a competitive applicant, and that's fairly simple to determine. 90% of what's on here is baseless conjecture-- you appear to have scored well enough and done well enough in HS (not that we have any familiarity as to what Brown's admissions office thinks about your HS and what GPAs should be coming out of there) to be competitive, but that only gives you as good a chance as about 70-80% of the applicant pool! Maybe higher! So good luck, but stop asking about how many extra points you need to score-- if you want to see the breakdown, look at Brown's own numbers on the issue, although it'll only teach you that higher is better overall, but clearly higher scores doesn't guarantee anything.

Shobhit2006

rofl too bad it says nothing about ACT scores

modestmelody

That's because the large majority of students don't have or send ACT scores. In fact, if you look, you can see that the number of students in the SAT spread is equal to those in the ranking spread meaning ALL students had SAT scores submitted, at least in addition to the SAT, or that internally, they convert ACT scores to their "SAT equivalent" and report/consider that.

DianeR

Huh? When I add up the figures for different SAT ranges, I come up with a deficit compared to the total number of applicants equal to the same number of people who do NOT submit CEEB scores as Brown reports. If they say "No CEEB Scores," why do you think they really exist? Yes, they probably do convert the scores to the SAT equivalent in making admission decisions, but that is irrelevant.

For what it's worth, my daughter is at Brown now and only submitted ACT scores.

modestmelody

Oh ****, completely missed the No CEEBs category. Any way, point being, tis fairly easy to determine what your ACT score looks like compared to an SAT score-- it's been published a million different times in a million different places...

DianeR

True. The whole "you need the SAT to apply to the Ivy League" concept is just a pet peeve with me

modestmelody

I didn't mean it that way, DianeR, just that not having specific numbers for ACT distribution doesn't mean that you can't get a great idea of that from the SAT distribution. It would be almost redundant to show both sets of stats.

mgcsinc

I've been meaning to write a post like this for a while. Thanks, modest! I don't think it'll actually keep anyone from asking, though. ugh...

DianeR

Oh, I didn't think you meant it that way, modestmelody. I'm just explaining my propensity to jump into discussions of the ACT. Obviously you can get an idea of the ACT distribution by converting, and also by looking up the middle 50 percentile range.

There have been some threads where people show that the conversion tables don't seem to accurately reflect what the colleges are doing, though (the "is the ACT superscored?" ones). In other words, taking the middle 50 percentile for ACT acceptees and converting to the SAT equivalent gives a lower range than the middle 50 percentile of SAT acceptees. I think I've explained that properly ...

But, students can only score as best they can, apply, and take their chances. Higher scores are better than lower, but no level of score is a guarantee. I completely agree with your first post.

Courtney8

would it really effect me if i stopped taking foreign language in 9th grade because of schedule conflicts. (up to spanish 3)

mflevity

Wait a second...there IS an ACT score distribution table on the Brown Facts and Figures page...second table from the bottom of the page, after SAT Writing and before Class Rank.


Out of the 5,574 students who submitted ACT scores, 684 were accepted...so that's a 12.3% acceptance rate compared to the 13-14% overall rate.

Is that a significant difference? It depends on the person examining the data, I guess.

modestmelody

mflevity-- if you check the dates of the original posts you'd note they're about a year and a half old. At that time, ACT distribution tables were not available. This thread is out dated and was, in fact, bumped to do precisely what the original post stated one should not do.

ClaySoul

people who post chances threads are anxious and desperate and looking for some kind of reassurance

humor them. then tell them nothing i just said is reliable information.

mflevity

Wow. That was intelligent of me. I was a little confused about the allegedly missing ACT score table...

Anyhow, I'm glad they've since posted it, as college guidebooks were giving averages of around 29 and that didn't sound right.