modestmelody

Tuco-- the tactic of "innocence" is rather low to employ. Your comments in here were neither constructive, nor were they genuine. If you want to ask questions which have either of those qualities, you'll find them answered swiftly and knowledgeably by students on this board.

I think you'll also find, perhaps somewhat guided by my attitude over the years here, that we do not take to trolls lightly.

tuco48

soozievt,

Pardon me for being on the Brown forum. Didn't the incident happen at Brown? Isn't the title of the thread, "Brown Students Pie Pulitzer Prize Winner?" There were no "sweeping generalizations." And I made no "argument." Those are in your imagination as is the heroin thing. Read the posts. I compared two ridiculous statements made by the pie thrower at Brown. And for that I was called a "****ing moron" by a Brown student on this thread. I did say that I'll watch to see how the Brown administration handles this incident. As of today I've heard of no disciplinary action taken in the case by the administration.

I read Kevin Rose's soppy column in the Brown Daily Herald that ends:
"So I see where you're coming from, and I certainly support your First Amendment right to protest Friedman's pro-capitalist cheerleading. But please, think a little more next time. When you take what could have been a robust dialogue and reduce it to a cutesy attention-grab, you're committing the same sin as the mustachioed man whose shoulder bore your pie cream. And moreover, you're giving us all a bad name."

I also read Rakim Brooks' '09 letter to the Brown Daily Herald entitled, "Apprehension of pie-thrower out of line," which condemns Assistant Professor of Biology Stephen Porder for apprehending the student. It seems this student thinks the professor was violating the pie thrower's rights.

And I glanced at the site, itsgettinghotinhere.org, which has a lively dialog in the comments section including Brown students in attendance, including a long post from Colonel Custard of the Greenwash Guerillas, himself. I'm unclear if he is the unindicted co pie thrower. Colonel Custard is a real comedian. Here's a comment from the site that strikes a chord with me, "The real comedy in all of this is that a pair of privileged Brown students have convinced themselves that their juvenile act of vanity is actually going to lead to a productive debate that destroys capitalism and stops global warming. We’re rolling in the aisles, kids."

So please excuse me for wondering about silliness at Brown and "inciting arguments." I notice that you bring up incidents at other Ivys, not to be out done I suppose. Or is it just to spread the slime. I commend the Yale administration for acting immediately on their issue, calling the student in and exposing her nonsense for what it was, a hoax.

wolfmanjack

I think you were called a moron for posting this, "Just wondering. Does the Brown administration allow students in classrooms to throw pies at faculty members whose opinions don't conform to their ideology? Or is this just reserved for guest speakers?" NOT for comparing the statements by Little.

And this didn't put you on anyones good side: "I see you're in Providence. You must have expertise on "****ing moron[s]."

Tact is not your strong point. But, for the record, I'm agreeing with modestmelody's assessment of you. You shat on our impression of you the first time you posted. Do you think it's a coincidence that so many people think you're being a ******? It's us not you isn't it?

tuco48

Wolfman,

I wasn't trying to be put on your good side. I couldn't care less of your impression or "assessment" of me or your friend's for that matter. The question seems to have really struck a nerve though. What would happen at Brown if a student threw a pie in a professor's face for ideological reasons? Would the administration act immediately? Would the student be expelled? Or would they be "considering disciplinary actions?" Would it be considered assault? I notice you avoid the consequences of the discussion. I find it amusing that the Brown Admission's Office work study spin brigade doesn't want to just let this go, but continues with ad hominem attacks. It must be doing wonders for the yield keeping this thread at the top of the list.

mgcsinc

You're very funny, tuco.

Stop playing dumb. You're not dumb. Neither are we. Go play in a corner, now, thanks.

wolfmanjack

Sad part = I don't think he's playing. He did use a latin expression though which can fool you for a second but once you realize he is a veteran forum troll it's not really surprising he knows the term. It's funny he thinks we're avoiding a question when really the question is so stupid it doesn't warrant an answer.

tuco48

Post hoc, ergo, propter hoc. Don't be fooled Wolfman, it's the common fallacy. Uh, "veteran forum troll" with 9 posts.

wolfmanjack

Sooo you found another forum...

twothousandeight

im in ur forum

usin mai latin skillz

tuco48

Nooo Wolfman, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not a troll. I know, it's hard for you to believe. I'll be waiting to see how the administration handles it. Playing in a corner isn't an option.

wolfmanjack

Ehh, not what I was saying at all. If you're telling me you've never argued on the internet before I'm calling you a liar. It shows. Maybe you should have waited until the administration did something so you would know if you actually had something to whine about.

soozievt

I have no problem that you are on the Brown forum. Indeed this incident happened at Brown. My point was that you are attacking Brown instead of commenting or being critical of the student who took these actions. This young woman doesn't represent all of Brown. You mention silliness and that is a generalization as this is the act of one person. You made a generalization about Brown allowing pie throwing of faculty or speakers when the opposite is true.....they are NOT condoning this behavior and there are disciplinary hearings going on about this student, I believe. The girl is even quoted as saying that expulsion is "on the table." So, while the decision of what actions the university may take is not out yet, it is apparent that they are reviewing the case and what they may do about it.

You completely misunderstood my point. The OPPOSITE is true. I was not putting down those other schools. I was saying that your put downs and generalizations about Brown would be like someone putting Yale down due to ONE student's art project. I don't frown upon Yale in that instance, but I would be critical of that student. Same with the pie thrower.....critique her actions but she doesn't represent the student body at Brown. I also went on to mention that the incident at Columbia was different as the other students in attendance cheered on those who were acting inappropriately and stopping the speech by the invited speaker. At Brown, I don't think the girl and guy who threw the pie at the speaker were cheered by fellow students. In fact, I am reading that other Brown students are critical of the pie throwing students. I'm not throwing slime. You mention commending Yale for taking action with the art student and guess what? So do I. Just like I commend Brown for dealing with these students who threw a pie.

I do believe you are posting in a manner that is to incite. The focus should be on commenting on the student's behavior who threw the pie and not drawing conclusions that it is about Brown (ie., asking if Brown allows pie throwing) or about its student body (ie., asking about silliness at Brown due to the actions of one student). I brought up heroin as an ANALOGY and if ONE student was caught using heroin, assuming that Brown allows it and then assuming that everyone at Brown is on drugs. That is how I see your comments/questions about this incident.....assuming Brown allows pie throwing and then commenting about silliness of Brown students as a whole.

franglish

This is the thing. Brown is obviously not the right place for this person, and if his/her writing is any indication of personality, let's encourage Tuco to look elsewhere. Not that Brown can't handle debate and discourse, OF COURSE IT CAN. It's just that this is the ultimate in anger-provoking needling. That will only cause problems, mostly for Tuco. S/he will probably be pretty miserable there, and needs to find a place where s/he can find more folks who agree with him/her. That place probably won't be Brown. I suggest we let him/her ride off into the sunset.... Happy Trails, Tuco!

Hunt

I think you're all being too hard on tuco. He's probably the kind of person who's been pied a lot, and naturally feels sympathy for somebody else in a similar situation.

Mondo

Wow.. it's not aggravating at all to know that Brown admissions picked some idiots like that over me. , haha

jk of course, I'm sure most people at Brown wouldn't do this.