My daughter chose sub free dorms for freshman year, just so as to not get stuck in a 'party central' situation. She doesn't have religious beliefs. The freshman sub free was in Perkins Hall freshman dorm, rooms are doubles. It was fine, but she didn't particularly click with the people on that floor. So she spent a lot of time hanging out with people on the floor above. Some of the sub-free kids did get along well and went on to pair up for rooms in another subfree dorm for sophmores and on.
Next year it was a suite with a shared common room, she liked that much better. I think after the first year she saw that it is easy to control who she was around. Then moved off campus the following years. Even her summer sublets didn't have any partier problem. Last year she was with swim team members in training.
Last edited by BrownParent; 02-02-2009 at 10:47 PM.
This discussion, private messages I have received, and some recent research have surprised me. My initial question was intended to find out if Brown students partied more than other Ivy league students, which is a claim made to me by a third party. From what I can tell, the party life at Brown is more robust than at most other Ivy League campuses (only Dartmouth seems to come close to Brown). I cannot determine why this is true, but it does seem to be the majority consensus.
Dartmouth drinks a lot. I guess you can't buy alcohol in Hanover so the frat's have control on the drinking scene. I was just talking to some people the other day about Brown parties with two other transfers like myself and we all agreed that the parties here are somewhat tame and the other guys both agreed that Princeton was a big party school. One of these guys is from Jersey so he might have some knowledge.
Just keep in mind that it's all relative. The level of partying at elite schools is nothing compared to big state schools. I'm from KS and all I hear is about how both Manhattan, KS and Lawrence, KS are nothing but party towns. Especially the rural towns with universities where there is nothing to do but drink like Hays, KS.
A friend of mine who's a Dartmouth transfer claimed we have far, far fewer large, crazy, raucous parties. I believe that.
Brown tends to be more relaxed about partying, if that makes sense. We don't have many huge events, there's never a party that "everyone" is going to go to. It's far more the, 10 - 40 person sized party.
Anyone who is PMing you and telling you how hard Brown does or doesn't party I'd be suspicious of personally-- take the views of current students or parents of current students seriously, the rest is all conjecture.
Like I said not knowing you, and more importantly, not knowing how you're going to drastically change once you get into college it's hard for me to say whether we will cross your threshold for too nuts, but pretty much every school I've stayed overnight at with friends has had more of a typical party feel than Brown. That's why I think anyone can really be comfortable with our social scene-- it's so varied and so much of it is smaller networks of friends getting together that you'd be far from left out if you weren't going to this several-hundred-people-crammed-like-sardines party (I haven't been to a party like this at Brown ever).
You must have missed out on the off-campus, unofficial, transfer orientation parties. Held in typical College Hill sized home on 4th floor with 80 people. Just a tad tight. Never again have I seen another party like that, probably because they don't happen too often.
I see where you are coming from entirely, and I agree that it has nothing to do with personal will power. Some people don't like to be around belligerent drunk-faces or babysit a friend who's had a few too many. But be careful not to strut your opinions on the issue, people may think you think you are superior -- which is probably where the nasty messages came from.
However, about the illegal thing, that's just a little bit naive. The reality is that there's proably enough pot smoking and underage drinking on ANY given campus on any given friday night that they would need to bring in the national guard to catch everyone. Better to just accept that it's going to happen and let it slide. If it becomes flagrant, then you act.
I just have to say ... what is going to happen when you put 6000 people aged 18-22 together? There's going to be alcohol and drugs. And I'm a parent who is saying this, and I'm not too upset.
The biggest drinking/party schools are in rural areas. Brown is an urban campus, with frats that aren't particularly active. And sports aren't a big deal on campus, either. Compared to big state schools, the "partying" that happens at Brown must pale in comparison.
Answering your question in #23-- dealing with the drinking on campus is a problem for every college administrator, not just Brown's. There's not enough space here or time in my day to answer the question you posed in #23, but you're not the first to ask it.
Hopefull, if you are that determined to avoid people who drink, then you really need to go to a Christian school. You will find nondrinkers on most campuses, but I really think that wherever you go, there will be students drinking and smoking pot.
If you search the Internet enough, you can find statistics on drinking, and binge drinking, on campuses. I've looked at the studies, and Brown is no where close to some of the big state schools, where a majority of students binge drink a lot.
I am from Florida and I am going to attend Brown fall of 2009. As far as partying goes, I do not consider Brown to be a party school whatsoever. I know this because Florida has two of the biggest party schools in the country, which are UF and FSU. They party all the time, and even so, many of my friends who go there don't party all the time (as a matter of fact I have a friend who is very religious and has not partied yet, and she loves it there). Brown is a college. People in college party from time to time. Does it mean you have to party with them? No. No one will force you to do anything, it is completely up to you. Now the whole view about how the drinking age is 21 and how drugs are illegal; thats nothing new. That has not stopped people in every college in the nation (except for the Christians schools) from getting drunk. Weed is illegal, people still do it. I dont think the administration has enough time, money, and effort to stop every 19 year old who is drunk and has weed. It is college, you are going to see people getting drunk and people smoking weed. Its a fact. Move past it. If you don't want to see it then you should consider attending a christian school, there are plenty of christian schools who are extremely good.
I have a question. One of my friends (who attends another college) told me that when she shared a dorm room with another girl a few years ago, she would often wake up in the night to hear her roommate, er, getting it on with a boyfriend. Does that happen frequently at most universities? How about Brown? Or is it just one of those rare-case scenarios when you end up with a bad roommate?