Priti

I was just checking the website and found something very interesting. Internship average weekly pay for Olin school and Wash U is 2340/- per week, whereas NYU intership weekly pay is 1240/-. How is that possible. I would be sure that the pay at Stern wuld be higher just because it is NY and cost of living and all that....

Just curious. You can check under careers and interships heading of the particular school details

Alexandre

I obviously have no problem with McIntire, Stern and Haas being at the same level as Ross. If you look at the content of my posts, I said that Cal should be ranked better than #12 and that McIntire and Stern are fairly ranked. So clearly, I do not think Ross is in a different league. This said, I do think that Ross is slightly better than McIntire, Haas and Stern, but only because it is more complete and well rounded.

Hannibal_247

"Your information is erroneous. I don't know the exact statistics. But, Stern admitted FAR fewer than 67% of its applicants three years ago. This year, it admitted about 20%. Furthermore, I wouldn't just attribute Stern's success to its ranking in US News and World Report. Two to three years ago, the undergraduate dean of Stern changed. The new dean has instituted new programs that could affect the quality of the school and the way it is perceived.

Furthermore, I think that it is important to not spend too much time thinking about rankings. Yes, rankings can provide you with information about schools. However, they are not the be all, end all. Rankings don't tell you where you will thrive as a student, or where you will find the best programs for your needs."

1- i'm not here to argue, i'm here to discuss this very point (rankings), so i'll start with you saying that i shouldnt spend too much time thinking of rankings. You are partially right, however dont forget that they are many high school seniors (like myself) wish to know
a) Which schools are good
b) Which schools employers love
Frankly i'm confused, the differences i saw between us news and business week were large.

2- As for my statistics, i hate to be a kill joy, but
I got them off the website, however i couldnt find reference to the 67% and had to refer to wikipedia
Class of 2009 at a Glance

Admissions Statistics
Number of Applications: 33,721
Percent Offered Admission: 29.7%

"NYU has seen a continuing trend of increasingly greater numbers of applicants, lower acceptance rates, and higher average SAT scores for freshmen. In 2000, applications to NYU increased by more than 300 percent from 1991, while the acceptance rate declined from 65 percent to 29.3 percent[5]. As of 2005, the undergraduate acceptance rate was 29 percent. For the last 2 years, NYU was ranked by the Princeton Review as America's #1 "dream school" (first choice when factors such as the price and the school's selectivity are not considered) among high school seniors[6]. NYU has the largest undergraduate applicant pool of all private universities in the U.S. NYU is among the top 20 for all universities in the number of national merit scholars in the undergraduate student body."

Either way, as i indicated, my point was to:
1- Show admission to universities is becoming increasingly competetive
2- Ask all the members of this forum, especially those who said ignore us news and business week, how we are to determine the excellent business schools.

Hannibal

dylin88

BYU, Emory, Notre Dame do not belong in top 10.

Berkeley + Tepper belong in the top 10.

UVA might be slightly high. It's not really that hard to get into....pretty easy actually, compared to Berkeley/Tepper/Stern/Ross.

Globalist

Alexandre,

I don’t really care where the 4 schools rank compared to each other. Ross, Haas, Stern & McIntire are definitely in the same league. But how can you say that Ross is more well-rounded and complete when even the students themselves don’t feel that way? Ross students didn’t even rank the program very highly putting it at 31. Furthermore, 3 of the student comments about Ross had the following to say?

“If you're not looking to go into investment banking, consulting, or marketing, you better look off campus. Those are the only companies that the school brings in.

The business school seems to have stopped caring about student concerns and instead is just wrapped up in improving our ranking. Administrative services are also inefficient and often inaccurate.

Our school tends to focus a little too much on investment banking internships.”

I know that Michigan is a top-notch school, but if you’re going to say that it is “more this or that”, please qualify why you think that way. Otherwise, you just come off as a UMich alum trying to up your school.

Since we're voluntarily in the business of helping high schoolers decide which school would be right for them. I feel we shouldn't misinform them.

dylin88

I think WashU's internship data is definitely wrong. They might have meant to put 1340 instead of 2340.

2340 per week is insane....That's about 10,000/ month or $120,000 per year. No interns are paid that much. Definitely some sort of error. Either that....or they only took into account one guy who broke records at WashU for internship salary -___-"

Untilted

"UVA might be slightly high. It's not really that hard to get into....pretty easy actually, compared to Berkeley/Tepper/Stern/Ross."

UVa is very hard to get in from out of state. Even in state it's harder then Michigan. At the end of your second year, you apply for McIntire, the admission standard is getting more and more difficult, admitted students have an average GPA of 3.5-3.6, it's not easy at all. Yes Ross and Haas are both very hard to get in as well. dont know about tepper.

uhyea

I hear that UVA is extremeley hard to get into out state, almost impossible, but I have heard from uva residents that it is not that difficult to get in instate for UVA, they compared it to the difficulty of instate students getting into rutgers (i'm from nj).

Untilted

but uva in-state kids have better stats then rutger in-state kids, i bet.

i love new jersey though. cool people there.

Priti

I agree dylin88 but that is what it said. it is insane

georgeTheMonkey

well put Globalist. I see the same thing Alexandre. I see your posts on the various boards and they are always biased towards Michigan. Quite frankly, I don't see how Michigan is more well rounded and complete. You term it as slightly better, but I don't see it as better. If you look at the ranking comprehensively, Michigan lost out big points in critical categories. If you compare Stern and Michigan just on critical areas, UMich doesn't look too good. overall I would say that Stern, Ross and Haas are level, one is not slightly better than the other. each has its relative strenghts and weakness.

uhyea

well I'm not too sure about that, UVAs bschool is a billion times better than rutgers and overall its a much better school, but their both state schools and their student bodies are made mostly of the kids from the state. That means the majority of students from each school went to each states respective high schools, and I have heard New Jersey high schools are among the best in the US. I am not sure about the quality of UVA high schools is though. But i do 100% support the fact that UVA as a whole is an incredible school, much better than rutgers.

uhyea

Notre Dame is ranked pretty high, I never knew their program was that good since US News has them pretty low. Anyways i was wondering how does Notre Dame do in terms of Wall Street placement?

Untilted

ND does very well, extremely amazing alum support.

ever heard of Northern Virginia? (the small part of Va. next to D.C.) some calls it NOVA, there are some of the best public high schools in the nation with insane average SATs......
definitely one of the most educated geographical areas in U.S. I walk down my street, stickers on cars include Chicago, UVa, Columbia, Duke, Syracuse, Georgetown... my area isnt the richest either.

kguo7

People, this ranking list is based on job placement and the quality of education, not prestige, and what the employers think of their employees. In the real world, there is more than just SAT, GPA, and prestige. Seriously, if I was an employer I wouldn't pay a Harvard grad a dollar if he or she does nothing all day and brags that he or she went to Harvard. I would gradly hire someone else who came from a community college and is ambitious.