drj

some comments/questions from a business professor in california:

1. where is the evidence that places stanford/haas WAY AHEAD of anderson/marshall?

2. those of you contemplating irvine might want to reconsider. there is a front page story in today's los angeles times that suggests the recent turmoil regarding the deanship there may even delay the opening of the law school and will negatively impact the entire university. there further is evidence of irvine being a place that keeps bumbling while others ascend--and i think of the new rady school and its hirings and the nobel laureate hiring at argyros as examples.

3. cruzer, huge props to you for calling out cal state san bernardino. it takes both knowledge and courage to bring attention to an unnoticed cal state, but one under dean bowerman that is moving upward toward the big boys of the cal states like beach and fullerton, while sister schools LA and cal poly pomona are imploding train wrecks heading in the opposite direction.

4. the record within the claremont colleges is mostly strong but relatively unnoticed, perhaps in part due to its unusual configuration and the fact that the colleges seem to do less PR than other universities--why, i don't know.

5. wrt the inland empire there will be three schools moving in, the claremont club, san bernardino (already there and rooted), and the "other" anderson school, at riverside, which is moving up. look for a nice brawl as deans fight for the resources to penetrate this region further.

NextMikeSays

1. In terms of caliber of students, Stanford GSB students are the very elite with HBS. Haas is slightly behind Stanford, but Anderson is slightly behind Haas, and Marshall is slightly behind Anderson. In terms of corporate jobs, any of these schools are excellent career wise. The difference is when we talk about getting into PE and VC is where Stanford is leaps and bounds better than the aforementioned schools.

Anyways, this thread is about undergrad and Pomona College has an excellent economics program. Although the general CMC are excellent, the real meat of recruiting is primarily targeted at Pomona grads.

theboneyking.

Do you have any reason for concluding this? From everything I know, Pomona does have an excellent econ program, but I think CMC puts a lot more effort into getting recruiters on campus and helping students to get internships and jobs. A lot of the job fairs and presentations are available to students from all the Claremont Colleges, but because CMC has more of a focus on business, I imagine a Pomona student would be taking more advantage of CMC events than the other way around. I really don't know what makes you think that most of the recruiting is aimed at Pomona grads.

CMC does emphasize its econ, econ-accounting, and finance programs. Here's a link to a thread about a huge gift to CMC that will establish a special graduate program in finance:
Alumnus Robert Day Makes $200 Million Gift to Claremont McKenna College

Truman94

Drj, is there a reason Cal St LA is an imploding train wreck? I've read about some pretty awful things going on at Cal Poly Pomona on this site and from my understanding nothing of that sort is going on in LA. I have two friends taking up accounting at LA and they aren't aware of any current or impending mass exodus like there's been for Pomona. The only thing they pointed out is that it's taking them a while to find a replacement for dean, which is also the case for CSU Long Beach from my understanding.

BedHead

From OP, here is the following:

BedHead

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From OP, here is the following:

Undergrad Business according to BusinessWeek (limited to schools that have undergrad b-schools, which among those discussed really include only Berkeley and USC):

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools...rad/index.html

UC Berkeley (Haas): #1 b-school undergrad in Cali, #2 USC Marshall

For Undergrad Econ, IMO the strength of the graduate schools is a good proxy for illuminating opportunities at the undergrad level, in terms of quality of faculty.

Stanford is a #1 econ program, typically considered a peer perhaps of MIT and Harvard at the pinnacle.

Berkeley is a close second econ program, considered a peer with Princeton, Yale, and Chicago. (this just follows US News)

UCLA is top 10 I believe and has the biz/econ program which is prestigious.

I don't know where USC ranks, but it's got to be very respectable for undergrad econ and has a top biz school.

Comments: If you want to study econ. at Berkeley and you are good in math, you really have to take the mathematics-heavy econ. course if you want the most solid respectability for grad school applications that have any quantitative bent. The other econ. track is no doubt good, but if you do well in the quantitative econ. program, you can pretty much write your own ticket in a lot of directions.

Personally, I would stuff all these rankings and look at fit and also being realistic about where you can get in.

If you feel more comfortable at USC, let's say than Berkeley, go to USC if you can afford it. Particularly if you think you want to be in SC after graduation.

If you want to go to one of the Claremont colleges, why would you even look at any of the other schools?The big and small school experiences will be quite different, and from a friend who had studied at Stanford/Berkeley/Harvard, he noted the students with the best, well-rounded preparation came from Swarthmore/Claremont/Colby(LACs) rather than Princeton/Yale/Chicago (big name places). But he didn't regret his choices 'cause for him the uni's were a better fit on other levels.

SarahsDad

I would second the recommendation to check out Pomona, Claremont McKenna, and the Claremont Colleges in general.

This is an upcoming conference concentrating on business:
http://www.wsweekend.com/

"Wall Street Weekend is a Claremont Colleges (Pomona, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, Scripps, Pitzer) finance conference and networking event that offers a unique opportunity for all attendees interested in finance.

Organizers have worked to create an opportunity for everyone interested in finance to come together and explore new possibilities. “We’re getting a lot of support,” said Geoffrey Lewis ’08, one of the organizers

Students and faculty will join in the morning of Saturday, Oct. 13 with a breakfast, panel sessions and networking period in Pomona’s Edmunds Ballroom.

The Hedge Fund Panel will be comprised of Scott Barker (Pomona ’87), a portfolio manager with Analytic Investors, Inc. , Dana Hobson (Harvey Mudd ’85), senior vice president of Bailard and Peter G. Sasaki (Pomona ’91), the founder and managing member of Logo Capital Management, LLC. The Private Equity Panel will include Paul S. Efron (Pomona ’77), advisory director at Goldman Sachs, Kristin Horne (Pomona ’93), managing director at Morgan Stanley and James A. Quella, senior managing director and senior operating partner of Blackstone’s Private Equity Group.

Harry McMahon, vice chairman of Merrill Lynch and Claremont McKenna alumnus, will deliver the keynote speech to participants at the Claremont Athenaeum during lunch.

Organizers hope the events will provide students with good insight into career possibilities in the finance industry. “It’ll give students a sense of what 5-C alums go off and do,” Lewis said."

drj

truman, the fact that the dean walked off the job in the middle of the year is profound enough. most deans announce and then leave at the end of an academic year. then as you say they still have no replacement almost a year later. combine that with the many failed searches for faculty, so much so that their position listings now state this: "if unable to fill this line it will be converted to a visiting lecturer." not a good sign. accounting and finance are stronger than other areas there, but finance has failed to hire a professor for three straight years and reportedly now is lowering the search criteria and trying again. and their budget is so tight that all they can do is hope to hire entry level people.

that said, still not as bad as pomona where 76 business faculty and staff have departed for various reasons in just two years. if LA is a train wreck then pomona is a tsunami.

as far as beach, and northridge for that matter, are concerned beach has had a much more stable college and lowballed their choice for dean this past year. a wakeup call for the provost. northridge is trying again for somewhat different reasons and needs to find a solid replacment to avoid falling downward into situations like at LA.

and now the chatter about pomona college and CMC. did anybody notice that CMC has just been handed a jillion dollars to launch an elite graduate program in finance? there is so much money attached to this deal that they will hire EIGHT professors prior to launch? that is huge. my wife is a finance professor with a PhD from there and she reports CMC going after the biggest guns in the field.

Milton Roark

Stanford is a #1 econ program, typically considered a peer perhaps of MIT and Harvard at the pinnacle.
Berkeley is a close second econ program, considered a peer with Princeton, Yale, and Chicago. (this just follows US News)

Just to clarify, MIT is a "peer" to U-Chicago, both being ranked first amongst graduate economics programs, and then comes Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, UCB and Yale (those programs are all ranked third based off of the most recent rankings).

If I am not mistaken, PE stands for Private Equity and VC for Venture Capital.