Baruch College??

JeremyS · 07-31-2010, 08:43 PM

I had always thought that the CUNY was a last resort school for anyone going to school for business. It says on CollegeBoard that only 22% of applicants are admitted... But it's SAT scores are only 1050 (Math + Reading). On (a different site) it says the academics are a B, but admission is "Very Hard."

Are very few people admitted or something?

Thanks.

crazybandit · 08-01-2010, 04:50 AM

A lot of city kids with relatively bad grades apply to CUNY, so the acceptance rate is low. CUNY is full of average students. The average GPA is around 80-85 (sub-3.0) unweighted. The schools don't even look at your extracurricular activities; they just look at your GPA and your SAT score. It takes maybe 5 minutes to apply. If you are not a rising senior now I would recommend doing really well in your remaining time as a high school student and not having to apply to CUNY as a safety, unless you don't care where you go to college, or money is an issue.

You can apply to Macaulay Honors at Baruch or another CUNY school, whose admission could more accurately be described as "very hard." It's basically an honors program at CUNY. You get a few somewhat irrelevant perks like a laptop. It's a different application, and admissions is a lot more competitive. The average GPA is around 90-92 (3.5?), and the average SAT score is around 2000. It's about as competitive as NYU, maybe a bit more or less depending on the circumstances. They look at your extracurricular activities and require you to write a college essay. It's basically like a regular college, except it's still CUNY. It's free; a lot of very good students apply there and end up going there to save money. I knew of a kid in my high school (Brooklyn Tech) who gave up Dartmouth and MIT for Macaulay @ Hunter. Stupid, yes, but I guess he didn't care; or maybe I heard wrong or he couldn't pay for the tuition at a private school.

Conclusion? The admissions rate does not always say anything about how good a school is or whether it has good students. More accurate would be the transfer rate. About 20% of Baruch students end up transferring; a lot of Macaulay students transfer, too. Top schools and good schools typically have low transfer rates (under 10%). If you want to do business you should go to a better school like Fordham, or if you are very accomplished a school like Wharton or Ross; or save money, go to CUNY, and transfer as a last resort. Or just don't do business at all. You don't have to do undergraduate business to do business later on in your life.

Sorry for rambling on.

JeremyS · 08-01-2010, 12:25 PM

That's what I figured. Thanks a lot.

taxguy · 08-01-2010, 05:06 PM

Baruch is an excellent school for business subjects. Don't listen to post number 2.

They get a lot of companies recruiting there, especially for accounting, but they have a HUGE alumni base for connections. Moreover, tuition is a STEAL, especially for in-state students. In fact, for the money, Baruch is a much better deal than Stern for business.

I'll say it again, don't be fooled by there average admission standards. It is a much better school than many people realize.

JeremyS · 08-01-2010, 08:17 PM

I haven't seen Baruch on any listings for the top business schools, though. And isn't it considered a community college? I can't get much information.

commentcomment · 08-01-2010, 08:19 PM

Baruch isn't a cc it is a city college. The regular school is average but the honors program is a great program and free. It also has a lot of good relationships with surrounding companies.

JeremyS · 08-01-2010, 08:30 PM

About relationships with companies, how would you compare them to schools such as NYU or Fordham?

I realize it's hard to compare NYU to Baruch, though. I'm not trying to shoot down Baruch, even though it may seem so.

Toshtemirov · 08-01-2010, 08:55 PM

First of all, Baruch is a tier 1 college, and its business program is well known in New York. If you want to know about the rankings, you can open google and type "CUNY Baruch rankings," and you will see the whole list. To be honest, Fordham is probably ranked lower than Baruch. Look at it:

Fordham University - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report

Fordham University ranked 61. Acceptance rate 46.8%.

CUNY--Baruch College - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report

CUNY Baruch ranked 36. Acceptance rate is 23.5%. Do you see the difference in rankings/acceptance rate, and a PRICE!!!!

New York university ranked 32. Acceptance rate 32.1%.

So, as you can see, it is harder to get into Baruch than to NYU. Even though acceptance rate was collected in 2008, it is still similar.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...rk-ny/nyu-2785

JeremyS · 08-01-2010, 09:35 PM

I've never seen that list before. I mainly based my ideas off the BusinessWeek listings. Thank you for giving me all that info.

My final question is, and I know this has probably been asked a million times already, but how hard is it to get into Baruch? I messed up freshman year, so I only have a 3.4 weighted GPA. I take all honors classes. This year (sophomore) I will once again be taking all honors and I'll have one AP History course (max I can take). If I really push myself and get all A's my cumulative will be a 3.98. I will also be the President/Founder of a business club.

Thanks for all the help.

commentcomment · 08-01-2010, 10:51 PM

Baruch is easy to get in, Baruch honors is hard. Check their website for stats and info.

Toshtemirov · 08-01-2010, 11:51 PM

^commentcomment,

It is not as easy as you think. Nowadays, more and more students prefer to go to CUNY because of the financial crisis/reasons, and it is getting harder to get into because of the excessive amount of students who want to apply. Subsequently, CUNY is becoming more selective again. As you know, before, those students who couldn't get into Baruch went to NYU or Columbia. Still, I have seen people who were rejected from Baruch, but they were accepted to NYU.

commentcomment · 08-02-2010, 09:15 AM

They might have been rejected from Baruch honors because the admissions cut off is higher than NYU CAS but I doubt they get rejected from the regular Baruch college where SAT scores range from 1000-1200 for CR/M.

However, another scenario why your friends might have been rejected from Baruch and got into NYU is he did not apply to Baruch as his first choice on his CUNY apps. People who get rejected typically are students who applied to all the CUNY and listed Baruch as not their first choice.

On average, admissions to NYU is more difficult than Baruch if you do not include the honors college.

Whistleblower1 · 08-02-2010, 11:08 AM

"Folks.............."

Toshtemirov · 08-02-2010, 04:44 PM

commentcomment,

It is, probably, harder to get into Stern, but NYU in general accepts any decent students who can pay. Moreover, NYU is a larger university, which can accept much more students than Baruch.

commentcomment · 08-02-2010, 05:00 PM

Just because they accept more students does not mean it is easier to get into. Just compare their admissions stats and you'll see the difference in student body.

Its pointless to compare regular Baruch College with NYU. Your talking about a city college and a school that has 2.5 billion in endowment and is known globally.