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2009 full-time MBA ranking

RMLRML Posts: 5,827Registered User Senior Member
edited November 2009 in Business School - MBA
1 IESE Business School - University of Navarra Spain
2 IMD - International Institute for Management Development Switzerland
3 California at Berkeley, University of - Haas School of Business
4 Chicago, University of - Booth School of Business
5 Harvard Business School
6 Dartmouth College - Tuck School of Business
7 Stanford Graduate School of Business
8 London Business School
9 Pennsylvania, University of - Wharton School
10 Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School Belgium
11 Cambridge, University of - Judge Business School
12 York University - Schulich School of Business
13 New York University - Leonard N Stern School of Business
14 HEC School of Management, Paris France
15 Northwestern University - Kellogg School of Management
16 IE Business School Spain
17 Melbourne Business School - University of Melbourne
18 Cranfield School of Management
19 Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT Sloan School of Management20 Columbia Business School
21 Henley Business School
22 Warwick Business School
23 INSEAD France / Singapore
24 Virginia, University of - Darden Graduate School of Business Administration
25 Michigan, University of - Stephen M. Ross School of Business
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  • the_prestigethe_prestige Posts: 2,185Registered User Senior Member
    RML,

    LOL.

    I love how you cut off that US ranking at a "random" Top 12, when Yale was ranked no. 13 and then you smugly state, "no SOM in top 12." It's a perfect example of intellectual dishonesty.

    Next, any MBA ranking that has Haas ranked above Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, MIT, Chicago, Kellogg -- heck, any MBA ranking that has Haas no. 1 is total and utter crap. All else being equal, no one would pass up HBS, Stanford GSB or Wharton to go to Haas.

    The European rankings are just as crappy. INSEAD is the best European b-school (and probably the best non-US b-school and on par with the lower half of the M7), yet its European rank is outside the top 10 behind schools like Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School, Henley and Cranfield, programs no one has ever heard of...

    And the ultimate litmus test -- what is ranked as the world's BEST b-school?

    IESE Business School - University of Navarra Spain

    (that's not even the best b-school on the continent let alone the world).
  • storchstorch Posts: 291Registered User Junior Member
    agreed, this ranking is nonsense
  • 1234d1234d Posts: 890Registered User Member
    lol @ the intellectual dishonesty part :P haha
  • Tax BearTax Bear Posts: 106Registered User Junior Member
    RML,

    LOL.

    I love how you cut off that US ranking at a "random" Top 12, when Yale was ranked no. 13 and then you smugly state, "no SOM in top 12." It's a perfect example of intellectual dishonesty.

    Next, any MBA ranking that has Haas ranked above Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, MIT, Chicago, Kellogg -- heck, any MBA ranking that has Haas no. 1 is total and utter crap. All else being equal, no one would pass up HBS, Stanford GSB or Wharton to go to Haas.

    The European rankings are just as crappy. INSEAD is the best European b-school (and probably the best non-US b-school and on par with the lower half of the M7), yet its European rank is outside the top 10 behind schools like Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School, Henley and Cranfield, programs no one has ever heard of...

    And the ultimate litmus test -- what is ranked as the world's BEST b-school?

    IESE Business School - University of Navarra Spain

    (that's not even the best b-school on the continent let alone the world).

    It's not intellectual dishonesty if it is true.

    I agree that currently HSW > Haas, and while it may seem inconceivable in the near future, Haas or any top ten MBA program for that matter has a chance of surpassing HSW.

    Any MBA program can be ranked #1 depending on the methodology used. Even online or distance programs can be #1 if the percentage of graduates unemployed six month out were weighed accordingly.

    It is comical to watch the two of you bicker over whether Berkeley or Yale is better. The only numbers that matter is ROI 5/10 years out, average starting salary, and graduate placement 0/3/6 months out. IMO everything else is IRRELEVANT.

    That's right, it's all about the $$$, it is foolish to pursue an MBA for any other reason.
  • storchstorch Posts: 291Registered User Junior Member
    most people make make decisions based upon what they think will make them happy, not what will make them the most money. for an unfortunate few, money does indeed = happiness, others might care more about prestige, or helping others, or power, or any combination of these things as well as numerous others

    so, your statement that its foolish to pursue an MBA for any reason other than "the $$$" doesn't really ring true (along with most of the rest of what you said)

    also, five years is too short a period to compute a proper roi
  • Tax BearTax Bear Posts: 106Registered User Junior Member
    most people make make decisions based upon what they think will make them happy, not what will make them the most money. for an unfortunate few, money does indeed = happiness, others might care more about prestige, or helping others, or power, or any combination of these things as well as numerous others

    so, your statement that its foolish to pursue an MBA for any reason other than "the $$$" doesn't really ring true (along with most of the rest of what you said)

    also, five years is too short a period to compute a proper roi

    I will be shocked if you score above the 25th percentile in verbal.
  • storchstorch Posts: 291Registered User Junior Member
    Tax Bear;

    I scored a 44/51 on the verbal portion of the GMAT. That was in the 97th percentile, what did you get?

    A quick post pointing out the idiocy of your thinking - which wasn't checked for grammar - is not indicative of much as far as verbal ability is concerned. Even if it was, that doesn't alleviate the regrettable fact that your post was pure nonsense.

    So, I suggest that instead of throwing around insults like a 15 year old, you spend more time on writing things that make sense.
  • the_prestigethe_prestige Posts: 2,185Registered User Senior Member
    HSW would trounce Berkeley-Haas to the ground; no contest there.

    exactly. so you agree that this ranking is completely absurd.
  • Tax BearTax Bear Posts: 106Registered User Junior Member
    most people make make decisions based upon what they think will make them happy, not what will make them the most money. for an unfortunate few, money does indeed = happiness, others might care more about prestige, or helping others, or power, or any combination of these things as well as numerous others

    so, your statement that its foolish to pursue an MBA for any reason other than "the $$$" doesn't really ring true (along with most of the rest of what you said)

    also, five years is too short a period to compute a proper roi

    First impressions are everything and I am judging you on what you wrote. Read your post again and then call me an idiot boy. I guess I am one of those unfortunate few that is happily rich.
  • c-otwac-otwa Posts: 63Registered User Junior Member
    too much confusion as each ranking is so different!
  • FaustiniFaustini Posts: 15Registered User New Member
    RML,

    HSW will always (certainly for as long as we'll ever care) surpass Haas. Look at the money. Do you really believe that with an endowment around $25 billion Harvard will ever let Berkeley become a better program? Stanford has around $15 billion, Yale close to $20 billion. Same argument there. Even UPenn at $5 billion is twice as rich as Berkeley. The private/public factor is in no way favorable to Haas considering the fact that California is in a very bad place right about now. This is another reason why Yale SOM will widely be considered better than Haas within the coming years; in fact, the "uneducated" people, to use your term, already think it is.

    Did you see BW's recent ranking of the top 30 re: current job placement? Take a look at the slideshow here:

    MBAs Confront a Savage Job Market - BusinessWeek

    "
    No. 1 YALE UNIVERSITY, SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT

    Students without job offers three months after graduation
    in 2009: 8%
    in 2007: 6%

    Median starting salary
    in 2009: $96,000
    in 2007: $95,000

    Yale grads emerged almost shockingly unscathed by the financial turmoil, hardly registering a blip in the placement rate. At the same time signing bonuses, actually increased from 2008 by 15 percentage points, with 76% of the students who found jobs also getting a bonus.
    "

    versus:

    "
    No. 10 UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT BERKELEY, HAAS SCHOOL OF BUSINESS

    Students without job offers three months after graduation
    in 2009: 14%
    in 2007: 4%

    Median starting salary
    in 2009: $110,000
    in 2007: $100,000

    Haas had a decent showing in 2009, with relatively few students not reporting job offers. Salaries were a bright spot for this year's Haas graduates, with a considerable increase in pay since 2007, though no increase from 2008. Singing bonuses fell five percentage points since 2007, settling at 64% of students who accepted jobs in 2009.
    "

    Like most things in life, the quality of an MBA program largely come down to financial resources. Somebody should amalgamate several rankings (w/ different methodologies), average the rankings for each school, and then compare that with each school's endowment. I'd reckon there would be a pretty high correlation even beyond the elite programs.

    In short, I wouldn't hold my breath on Haas > HSW anytime soon.
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