Chances - Colgate & track

doc53 · 01-05-2006, 08:49 AM

Hi, my S is applying RD. I know it's a reach for him, but just wondered if there might be a chance he'll get in.

Stats: 3.49 W, 640 Math, 540 V, 580 W (retaking 1/06); 80/291 rank. All honors classes, 1 AP last year (AP test grade: 3); made high honors first term, and should keep it up for second term as well.

ECs
XC: came in 11th in State Championship (16:24 5K);
Captain indoor and outdoor track teams (mile: 4:48?);
League All-Star; Scholastic All-Star for two local papers.
Several team awards as well.
Plans on continuing track in college.

Any idea? Thanks.

AASSDDFF · 01-05-2006, 09:36 AM

If you son can run a mile in 4:48, he should be in the olympics.

doc53 · 01-05-2006, 09:38 AM

That would be nice, but there are faster kids around here (4:16 at least, I think the record is even faster). He was upset he ran 4:57 last week.

jrpar · 01-05-2006, 10:39 AM

4:48 is not Olympic time.

You can look on the Colgate website for results from previous years to get an idea of times. Has your son been in touch with the Colgate coach? The coach will give you a good idea of where he fits in.

Colgate13 · 01-05-2006, 12:41 PM

If the coach wants him bad enough, he'll probably get in. I don't know enough about our track team to tell you if he would be a star recruit or not, but you and your son can figure that out.

Oldhat · 01-05-2006, 01:07 PM

Son will most likely need coach's assistance. I realize that you have already said it was a reach so you probably already know. Any conversations from the athletic dept.? Good Luck.

Colgate13 · 01-05-2006, 01:15 PM

I assumed that you have been talking to the coaches. While I don't know that much about recruiting for smaller sports, my guess is that if you haven't been actively talking to the coaching staff, its probably a little to late for your son to get into Colgate.

ticklemepink · 01-05-2006, 10:45 PM

Definitely a reach with his SAT scores. If he shows passion for track- the admissions will wonder if he has made any contact with the athletics. Have you? Make sure he does that before they read his application so the coach can say yeah, we've talked to him.... another way for the admissions to know that he expressed interest in Colgate.

Good luck!

Ecliptica · 01-06-2006, 02:46 AM

4:48 isn't enough to walk on at any competitive DI school. . .the 16:24 shows a much better range. Can I guess and say he's run about 10:12 for the two mile?
If he gets in, he could try to walk on to the team, but he's going to need to get under 4:30 and 9:40 to be considered.

doc53 · 01-06-2006, 08:09 AM

I believe he's been in touch, but I'm not sure. I was off a little on his stats: 16:23 5K, 4:39 mile, 2:05 800. Don't remember what his 2 mile is, but it's probably closer to 10:12 than 9:40.

Thanks for your input.

PS Ecliptica...you know this kid very well, but I'm not sure I should reveal him to you without his knowledge.

3togo · 01-06-2006, 08:21 AM

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but he's going to need to get under 4:30 and 9:40 to be considered.

I would guess Colgate allows anyone to walk on to their cross country / track teams ... that is a total guess but I'd be shocked if it is not true. I believe Ecliptica's comments are in regards to getting a recruiting admissions tip / scholarship offer from track at Colgate (does the Patroit league give scholarships for track?)

doc53 · 01-06-2006, 09:02 AM

What does "walk on" mean?

3togo · 01-06-2006, 09:17 AM

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What does "walk on" mean?

... not a recruited member of the team ... you could show up at school visit the coach and ask to join the team (or write after admission and ask to join the team) ... so you are "walking on" the team. Being a walk-on is tough for sports with limited space like basketball or hockey teams ... how do you run a practice with 55 players on a basketball team? But a lot of "minor" sports without space limitations allows walk-ons as long as the student is a regular participant. Having a few extra kids running on a track team, for example, may actually help full out the squad for sports like track, bowling, swimming, etc. The catch is being allowed on a team does not mean that you necessarliy get to play in games or run on meets. I ran track in college and we had walk-ons and some kids ran in 1-2 meets all year year ... but for them it was worth being part of the team.

Ecliptica · 01-06-2006, 03:37 PM

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PS Ecliptica...you know this kid very well, but I'm not sure I should reveal him to you without his knowledge.

Oh, wow, small world. I think I definitely know who it is (at least, a former teammate of mine had those exact times. . .)

He should be able to compete for Colgate. If it's who I think (a former teammate of mine), his mile dropped 17 seconds from the league meet to the division meet. We (the alumni) have all had pinned to win the division meet this year; we really believe he'll be around 4:20-4:25ish, which is low enough to walk-on for sure and earn some money by sophomore year.

doc53 · 01-07-2006, 05:56 AM

Yes, a former teammate, so you are probably right. Now we just have to see if he's accepted. UML and Merrimack are also interested, and possibly Quinnipiac.