lake42ks

Who are they?

NuclearPenguins

I never said every asian kid is doing great in America.

As for the middle eastern thing, are you kidding me? Unless you live in a cave and are cut off from the rest of society, I find it hard to believe how you are unaware of the discrimination against arabs from the middle east. Yes, they are classified as white, but discrimination isn't limited to race. I hope you know that.

Just for further confirmation, here is the dictionary definition of discrimination:

dis·crim·i·na·tion   [dih-skrim-uh-ney-shuhn]
noun
1.
an act or instance of discriminating.
2.
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

Read the second one. No mention that race is the only limiting factor.

You are misconstruing the whole argument. I've taken those classes too. But they are HISTORY classes, not HOW TO classes. African American Studies isn't only for people trying to be "more black". African American Studies and Latin American Studies are akin to taking a class called The History of Basketball. A class titled The History of Basketball does not teach you how to play basketball, it just explains the history (well obviously, duh) behind basketball and how the game came to be. Now, going to the gym and going to basketball practice is what will improve your skills in basketball. I'm sure there isn't a place people go to and practice their _______ race so they will improve their skills in being _______ race.

Trying to twist my words around really isn't working too well for you right now.

It doesn't make a HUGE difference, but there is definitely statistical significance. Usually 1 standard deviation BELOW the average.

I actually laughed at this. Nice.

fabrizio

I find this mind boggling. Do you actually believe that since the government classifies Middle Easterners as whites, Middle Easterners do not look any different from European whites and thus are not discriminated against on the basis of how they look?

mokusatsu

The Common App now has an optional question for "Religious Preference"

JeffreyTao

U.S. News - Affirmative action in college admissions? Supreme Court to hear case

Canuckguy

We learned from Dale and Krueger that students from “disadvantaged family backgrounds” benefited the most from attending more selective colleges.

Now this:

Do employers care about a university’s reputation? - The Globe and Mail

No wonder both URM and ORM want an elite education so much.

berkeleyblonde

Sure why not???? I grew up on an indian reservation, I don't have a drop of Native blood btw I know a lot of people who are half native and will look white or more indian and they are not always necessarily "registered" with the tribe.....I see this more in people who are 1/8,1/16, 1/32 Indian looking totally white and never even been to a pow wow.....I don't think this is fair to my fellow Natives because they deserve that spot more (the living conditions are horrible and everybody on the rez is below poverty, some indians are rich but not by u.s. standards)....not fair to play the Indian card when that's not the type of "Native American" admissions people are looking for. Sorry bud better to just post hispanic!

Findmoreinfo

The law suit seems to help.... this year more of the Asians in highschools I know are getting into top colleges.

With the similar stats, only two got into top colleges two years ago and three last year. This year we already know 5 of them got admitted.

Asians need to keep up the fight. I already see top colleges refraine from obvious descriminations this year.


Someone said this in a post "...unless you believe quite wrongly that some races are inherently smarter than others."

Talking about college age Asian-Americans, they are mostly second generation of top 1% of Asians. While entire Asian population is about the same as entire white population intelligence-wise, this special second generation Asian-Americans (whose parents came as graduate students) who were born in America are still about top 1% of American population.

About 30-40 years ago, there was a wave of Asian graduate students migrated to America. They first had to be top 10% to get in to their colleges in their country, and then among top 10% of college graduates to be able to get scholarships to come to America. They were smart, however, the language barrier made their level of success lower than they should have. Now their second generation who grew up in America with fluent English are dominating.

No matter how this generation of Asian-Americans are oppressed, they will still shine. The top colleges who delibrately rejected them will see the consequences in the near future - when other colleges become stronger in academics and current top colleges fade.

maani9422

well said Findmoreinfo, VERY well said.

Andervin

It seems to me there is a rather simple solution to all the problems surrounding ethnicity and race. Colleges simply need to remove the field on applications where you fill in your race. This way, no one can be discriminated against no matter if he or she is Asian, Native American, African American, Hispanic, etc.
Furthermore, if a person's race is evident from his or her name, college admission councils could simply assign each application a number, refer to applications by that number, and not look at the name.

shootingstar1994

hello everyone i am new to this forum but i have some things id like to clear up

for the record, i am not "butt hurt" or "biased" because i got into all the schools i think i deserved to get into. some people at my school though i feel got the short end of the stick

this person at my school with a 1950 sat and good grades (all A's and like 2-3 b's so like 4.4 weighted) got into UPenn, ucla, usc and ucb . no sports, good extracurriculars. this person is black

however i know many people (asian/indian) at my school with over 2000 sat and similar grades (i.e. 4.2-4.5 - its easy to get high gpa at my school kinda) that didnt even get into ucsd and uci

i know about 3-4 friends who got over 2000 on sat that have to go to UC riverside because they didnt get in anywhere else

what am trying to get at is, is race really that important to colleges?????

(also i dont want to hear BS like "oh what if the black persons essays were good" - i want legit non liberal discussion please)

NJSue

Yes, race is important in elite college admissions. Being an URM (in the college context) can be a hook. This is no secret or mystery.

There is much discussion about whether collegiate Affirmative Action policies actually benefit the people they're supposed to, and whether the concept of racial diversity should be amended in favor of greater attention to socioeconomic diversity.

tokenadult

I see this thread is getting to be quite long, and there have been some new developments that call for updating the FAQ posts way back at the beginning of the thread, so stay tuned for the next iteration of FAQ and discussion thread after I finish revising the FAQ posts off-line.

Good luck to everyone applying for admission next year.

ABCDEFGHIJK123

I think that I got a warning last time I posted an affirmative action thread, so I am posting this question here, hope it gets a response, anyway I have been wondering and thinking about this for a while now, why is it that people who are against AA say thinks like "I don't think that undeserving people should be granted admission to top schools" or "I don't want to be treated by an AA physician" but don't see that for example a black kid who didn't quite have the stats to get into say Harvard, but got in because of his AA boost, could have gotten in a really good state university while being in the high percentiles without AA? Do these people respect a physician from an Ivy league school more than a physician from a state school or what?

I know that this is probably hard to understand because of the way I worded it, but if you aren't sure of what I meant to say with this just tell me and I'll try to word it better.

fabrizio

It's only important at selective universities. Most universities in the U.S. are nonselective and admit based on GPA and SAT.

I don't think the so-called "underrepresented minority" students at elites are "undeserving." My position has always been that if they are as deserving as their defenders paint them to be, then they would be admitted without racial preferences. Moreover, I have always maintained that it doesn't make sense for whites and Asians to be expected to do well wherever they go while "underrepresented minorities" must attend elites, or else!