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do you think admissions are not based on race, ethnicity, first gen in addition to academics, ECs, essays and recs?
My point is that this applicant was compared with other Asians and not to the applicant pool at large. I'm not saying all four, but the cross admit rate for MIT and HYPS STEM is very large that not getting into any is definitely a soft quota on Asian males.
The reason Asian-American applicants have such a tough time getting into Princeton, OCR concluded, was that everyone has a tough time getting into Princeton.
"The university reported to OCR that the university 'frequently accepted to the Class of 2010 applicants from Asian backgrounds with grades and test scores lower than rejected non-Asian applicants.' The university gave OCR specific examples of Asian-American applicants for the Class of 2010 whose grades and SAT scores were not near the top of the range usually seen by the university’s admissions officers, but who nonetheless were offered admission. These included an Asian-American applicant who had 'only' a 3.45 GPA in high school, but who was a nationally recognized athlete; and two other Asian-American applicants with relatively low GPAs and SAT scores who were notable for other distinctions such as community service, overcoming impoverished backgrounds and working in a family business."
@OHMomof2 2. I'd get actual admissions data from the colleges, as the DOE did with Princeton.
@roethlisburger Assuming you did get access to all that data, how would you analyze it? The OCR had the narrow task of seeing if Princeton's program was compliant with the convoluted rules in various Supreme Court precedents. The OCR was not tasked, with examining the broader questions of does Princeton provide an admissions advantage to URMs relative to whites and ORMs, to whites relative to ORMs, and if so, what is the magnitude of the admission boost in each case
@theloniusmonk The main flaw in the study is that Espenshade and his co-authors would not share the data as it was proprietary and the colleges prohibited the sharing.
...we use data from the National Study of College Experience (NSCE), a project whose purpose is to understand the paths different students follow through higher education. Ten academically selective colleges and universities participated in the NSCE and supplied individual-level data on all persons who applied for admission in the fall of 1983 (or a nearby year), 1993, and 1997.
The information for this analysis comes from three private research universities that represent the top tier of American higher education. These are not the only NSCE schools that give admission preferences to underrepresented minority students, athletes, or legacies, but they were able to provide complete information for all three entering cohorts in our data on whether an applicant fell into any of these groups.
Critics of affirmative action in American higher education sometimes lose sight of the fact that elite universities give added weight to many different types of student characteristics. In this article, we examine the roles played by
preferences for athletes and children of alumni. Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants
Answering these questions is inherently difficult. One reason is that the selection process at elite private institutions is typically more nuanced and subjective than the explicit point systems formerly relied on by undergraduate admission officers at the University of Michigan and other large public universities