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CalPoly SLO and Common Core Math

BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
So my student was switched into common core math in 8th grade.

8th grade: Math 8 (Common Core)
9th grade: Integrated Math 1
10th grade: Integrated Math 2+ Block (which means it took 2 class periods all year long)
11th grade: Integrated Math 3+ Block
12th: he will take AP Calc A/B

So how would this calculate for Cal Poly SLO's desired 10 semesters of Math for the rigor category? (He got A's all the way through Math and currently has a total GPA of 4.67.) Surely, the state of California has millions of students facing this same quandary this year and Cal Poly has figured this out, right? Right? *small voice* Right?
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Replies to: CalPoly SLO and Common Core Math

  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 60,338 Senior Member
    Is "block" a separate math course that shows on the record as such (with its own grades)?

    Usually, integrated math 1 + 2 + 3 = algebra 1 + geometry + algebra 2 in the traditional sequence. Does "block" add the trigonometry and precalculus material that normally comes after either of the integrated math or traditional sequence before the student takes calculus?
  • BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    edited June 19
    Hi! Thanks for replying! Yes, they are each separate math courses, each with its own grade. "Block" in this sense means it took 2 class periods each semester. His high school schedules periods 1-4 on "A" days and 5-8 on "B" days. My student had math on both A & B days for sophomore and junior years. I just asked him if he did trig and pre-calc in his Math 3+ Block class and he started laughing "Mooom, that's ALL we did! I'm signed up for Calculus next year!" LOL. But still, I just checked the UC Approved Class List and at our high school only AP Calculus A/B, AP Calc B/C and AP Statistics are marked "UC-honors". There are no Common Core math classes on their list marked "Honors" so I'm trying to figure out if he will get full credit for the Math Rigor score.
  • VickiSoCalVickiSoCal Registered User Posts: 1,645 Senior Member
    Classes being honors have no effect on the rigor score.

    A student who took A1, Geo, A2, Pre calc, Calc with no honors at all gets the full 10 semester rigor score.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 60,338 Senior Member
    edited June 19
    In https://hs-articulation.ucop.edu/agcourselist#/list/search/institution , is any course listed as "advanced mathematics" (the usual UC classification for precalculus and trigonometry courses)?

    Regarding UC-designated honors courses, it is typical for high school labeled honors courses below precalculus and trigonometry ("advanced mathematics") not to have the UC honors designation.

    For reference, here are the typical high school math courses, normally one year each:

    Traditional sequence:

    Algebra 1
    Geometry
    Algebra 2
    Advanced mathematics (precalculus and trigonometry)
    Calculus

    Integrated math sequence:

    Mathematics I
    Mathematics II
    Mathematics III
    Advanced mathematics (precalculus and trigonometry)
    Calculus

    Note that both types of sequences existed before Common Core, and both types of sequences exist in high schools using Common Core based curricula. Some high schools apparently switched to the integrated math sequence about the same time that they switched to Common Core based curricula, leading some to think that the integrated math sequence is a feature of Common Core.
  • VickiSoCalVickiSoCal Registered User Posts: 1,645 Senior Member
    edited June 19
    But being designated as a UC honors course only affects the UC/Cal Poly GPA not the Cal Poly rigor score.
  • BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    Thank you everyone, most sincerely, for your help and observations.

    So I looked more carefully at the High School Class Catalog and the Course Description submitted by the district. His junior year math called "Integrated Math 3+ Block" DOES have the checkbox checked "seeking Honors designation" (although I'm reading above from u/VickiSoCal "Honors" doesn't count for rigor; thanks for that observation). Here's the course description:

    "This course is the second course in a two-course sequence that is designed to condense three years
    of mathematical knowledge into a two-year span, allowing students to be prepared to take Calculus
    during their senior year. It is designed using the Common Core State Standards for Integrated Math 3
    and Pre-Calculus. This A-G mathematics course will provide 10 credits toward graduation. Students
    will learn through collaboration, data gathering, experimentation, and conjectures. Technology will
    also play an important role in learning, to collect and model data, to make conjectures about the
    data, and to develop a robust understanding of the Standards for Mathematical Practice."

    It seems that if you are put into the common core track, your pre-calc and trig will be spread over Math 2+ and 3+, but these courses aren't designated as "Advanced Math" in any way that I can tell. I'm wondering if CalPolySLO will be able to tell whether it was Advanced. It would be a bummer to not get credit since he did take it (and got A's too, I don't want to discount his hard work!) And... since he took 2 periods of Integrated Math+ in 10th grade and in 11th grade, will he get credit for the full 10 semesters Mathematics? Because I'm concerned Math 8 won't count toward the 10 desired semesters.

    Wow this is intense. But... but... but... this school is so well-respected.... and reasonably priced.... and near our home and incredibly beautiful...
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 60,338 Senior Member
    edited June 19
    So in the web site linked in #4, they are not listed as "advanced mathematics"?

    How many semester grades will he get for all of the math courses?
  • VickiSoCalVickiSoCal Registered User Posts: 1,645 Senior Member
    FYI my kid's double period science class counted as 2 years of science. So a double period math class should as well.
  • BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    u/ucbalumnus: My kid's high school has some weird &$^% going on in their math department. Only Math Analysis has "Advanced Mathematics" on the UC/CSU course listing website. It seems that the Common Core Math 3+ should have been designated "advanced math" as well.

    As far as "how many semester grades will he get", his transcript shows
    Year/Semester Course Grade Units UC/CSU Course Listing designation
    2014-15 1st semester INTEG MATH 1 A 5.00 Mathematics I
    2nd semester INTEG MATH 1 A 5.00 Mathematics I
    2015-16 1st semester INTEG MATH 2+ BLK A 10.00 Mathematics II
    2nd semester INTEG MATH 2+ BLK A 10.00 Mathematics II
    2016-17 1st semester INTEG MATH 3+ BLK A 10.00 Mathematics III
    2nd semester INTEG MATH 3+ BLK A 10.00 Mathematics III

    and then of course next year
    2017-18 1st semester AP CALC A/B 5.00 Calculus
    2nd semester AP CALC A/B 5.00 Calculus

    So that's 8 semesters, but the Math2 and Math3 are worth 10 units each instead of the regular 5 so I don't know if I can enter that on CalPoly's application website or if they will notice the extra work on their own.
  • eyemgheyemgh Registered User Posts: 3,574 Senior Member
    The real objective at Cal Poly is to give maximum reward to students who have maths through Calculus in HS. The algorithm is set in stone though. Just call admissions and ask how they look at your student's classes. They won't discuss the MCA, but they will give you info about math. Good luck.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 60,338 Senior Member
    edited June 20
    According to http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=statsp (page 5), completion of 4 semsters of algebra and 2 semesters of geometry (or presumably 6 semesters of integrated math if your high school uses that type of sequence) are expected (no MCA bonus points, but MCA penalties if not completed). Up to 4 semesters of advanced math (presumably such things as precalculus and/or calculus) will give MCA bonus points.

    You may want to ask CPSLO directly how the double credit math courses are counted.
  • eyemgheyemgh Registered User Posts: 3,574 Senior Member
    There's been at least one update since then, but what @ucbalumnus is pointing to is still true. The minimum, meaning without it you don't get in, is Algebra II. Then each semester beyond that adds 125 MCA points. If you want to understand it completely refer to post #52 in Confused About MCA.
  • BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    Well hopefully they know how to correlate the new Common Core math with the old. Surely they do because how else could a student get to Calculus their senior year if they *hadn't* taken the correct preparatory work somewhere/somehow? He is prepared for Calculus, so that means he took Trig/Pre-calc, which means he took Geometry, Algebra 2 and Algebra 1. It seems to me that asking for a certain number of semesters is unnecessarily confounding and confusing and now doesn't take the Common Core pathway into consideration. Thanks so much for your help, I really appreciate your commitment to this site & forum.
  • BioShucksBioShucks Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    edited June 20
    Just got off the phone with CalPoly admissions advisor. They will not count the 2 class periods of Math in Soph and Jr years as multiple semesters. To get to the 10 semesters Math Rigor we have to show that the math he did in 8th grade (Common Core Math 8) is not the same material as was covered in Freshman yr Integrated Math 1... if so then they *might* count it toward the 10 semesters desired. So now we're in a quandary. He was going to take Journalism this year to improve his English rigor score (to 10) but maybe he should drop that idea and take Statistics instead because Math semesters are worth more points than English semesters. However, if they end up accepting his Math 8, we've dropped his extra English class, he's done a year of statistics he didn't need right now and loaded him up academically in a year that he already has 3 APs. I really really hate common core right now, they never should have shifted kids that were already mid-stream. Sorry for ranting.
  • GumbymomGumbymom Registered User Posts: 17,545 Senior Member
    AP Stats will also not qualify for the 10 semesters of Math rigor.
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