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Old 07-16-2006, 11:27 PM   #1
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Is it true?

This is kinda a dumb question but...
Is it true that during the regular admission rounds, really selective colleges will turn you down because of your standardized test scores...even if they are within range of most applicants? Let's just assume that everything else is good.

Thanks in advance
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:46 PM   #2
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Well, the "range of most applicants" is probably extremely different from the range of accepted applicants at really selective colleges, so if someone's toward the bottom of the pool and everything else is just "good," there's no reason they wouldn't turn someone down since they know they have more than enough more qualified applicants.
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:58 PM   #3
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If they are within range of most applicants, then no. Honestly SATs don't matter that much. A 2400 will certainly help but if you have something like 2150 it's almost the same.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:11 AM   #4
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You have more chance of getting in with a 2400 than a 2150 definitely. I had a 2180 and I definitely think if I had 2300+ i would have got into 2 or 3 more schools
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:37 AM   #5
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Honestly it wouldn't have made a difference. A school is not going to reject you just because of a 2180 instead of a 2300. Trust me, I had a 2300+ and was rejected to many schools.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:44 AM   #6
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No they wont reject me, but they might waitlist me. Im pretty sure i wouldnt have been waitlisted from Notre Dame if i had a 1550/2300
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:56 AM   #7
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Honestly SATs don't matter that much.
This is a gross generalization that simply is not true for all colleges.

The OP asks about "really selective colleges", and when many/most of these schools indicate the importance of standardized test scores to their evaluation process, why would you have reason to doubt their relative importance? Certainly these colleges are not out to mislead applicants, and neither should applicants create any self-delusion that when a college says test scores are "important" or "very important" that they would be anything less.

When evaluating one's admissions' chances, the only thing you have to go by is how the applicant compares against the data of admitted students, correlated to admissions factors. Criteria is relative for each college (in the case of some excellent schools, such as Middlebury College -- a top LAC, they do not require any SAT/ACT scores), and each college's criteria/factors have to be examined individually. With many of the highly selective colleges, factors are weighted for importance, and even then, personal and compelling reasons may make a difference, e.g., URM status, disadvantaged educational or socio/economic environments, etc.

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A 2400 will certainly help but if you have something like 2150 it's almost the same.
This certainly goes against the grain of any statistical evaluation for most of the highly selective schools. Whereas most all colleges state clearly that test scores are but ONE means of evaluating an applicant's chances for academic success at their respective schools, it's wishful thinking to hope that any given factor can be arbitrarily discounted just because an applicant does not like that part of his/her admissions information. If, as an example, Duke has its middle 50% range of ACT test scores for accepted students at 29 - 34 (25th percentile - 75th percentile), it states clearly that if one's ACT test score fell below 29, it also falls into the lower quartile for accepted students. All other things being equal (and of course, they are NEVER equal in any holistic application evaluation), that level of test score would give a candidate a 1 in 4 chance for admission. I repeat, however, that test scores are but one evaluation factor.

Boo21, in your case, I honestly think that your application will be a coin flip for most of the colleges you have expressed opinion in. I suspect that a re-take of ACT or SAT with improved scores will certainly help. The other factor that may work in your favor is that you are from a rural community in Kansas, and Asian, which happens to put you in the minority in that state. Because national universities seek to have representation from all 50 states if possible, you present extenuating circumstances for the adcoms to consider.

You would do well to control what you can and not try to control what you cannot. Retaking the tests would perhaps help. It wouldn't hurt. It's also within your control. Developing compelling essays that present an added boost to your already impressive academic/EC profile would also help. Again, this is within your control. See the potential shortcomings in your application, and do what you can to resolve them if you can and if you want.

I recognize that it may be frustrating to face up to reality, and sometimes admissions directors at colleges don't help either. They're faced with their own pressures of increasing applications, and they are very encouraging of all students to submit applications. Unfortunately, when acceptance rates for selection colleges range from 10-30%, that means they are rejecting many more than they are accepting. Your chances are very solid, and there are still things you can do to upgrade your prospects. Good luck to you!
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:50 AM   #8
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wow^ thank you so much for your advice! That really helps to outline what I have to do in the future to increase my chances. I'll work on my standardized testing and hope for the best. Thanks again!
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:34 PM   #9
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SAts matter. Period.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:59 PM   #10
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SATs matter more in early decision rather than regular decision but they still matter in regular decision.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:03 PM   #11
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Boo21,

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... in your case, I honestly think that your application will be a coin flip for most of the colleges you have expressed opinion in.
That is, ... "for most of the colleges you have expressed interest in"
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:25 PM   #12
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It's like that one saying, "SATs can't get you in, but it can get your out"
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:48 PM   #13
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...as can bad grammar and careless typing.

"Sats won't get you in, but they can keep you out." Whether they admit it or not, most schools have an SAT cutoff.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:43 PM   #14
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SAT's basically play as big a role in schools' admissions as they say it does... for example, on collegeboard, if standardized testing is listed under very important, then it IS very important
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Old 07-17-2006, 10:23 PM   #15
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All other things being equal (and of course, they are NEVER equal in any holistic application evaluation), that level of test score would give a candidate a 1 in 4 chance for admission.
it doesnt mean that at all. if it did, more than half of harvard applicants with 1500+s would be accepted and someone with a 75th percentile score at a school that accepts 95% of applicants would only have a 75% chance of admission. what it does mean, and nothing more, is that 25% of admitted students scored at or below that number.

several others schools publish similar data, but here is something for lehighs class of 2010 that gives you some idea of how a moderately selective college admits students with varying sat scores:

overall acceptance rate: 39%
rate for 1500-1600: 66%
rate for 1400-1490: 64%
rate for 1300-1390: 58%
rate for 1200-1290: 32%
rate for 1100-1190: 17%
rate for 0400-1090: 09%

accepted student 25-75: 1260-1430.

ironically, the 1260 equaling a 25% chance works out pretty well here if you dont include hooked applicants (including athletes, who make up a large percentage of the bottom 25%). more importantly, note that there doesnt appear to be a huge difference between having a 1400 and 1500, though the drop off is quite large once one falls below the schools mean enrolled sat (1310). this number is near 1500 at top schools.
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