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Lying about Race

KeshiraKeshira Posts: 1,148Registered User Member
edited October 2007 in College Admissions
Suppose you lie about your race.

What are your chances of being found out? What are the consequences?

Suppose you leave the racial slot blank.

Will this damage your application? How much will it do so?
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  • MmCheezItsYayMmCheezItsYay Posts: 228Registered User Junior Member
    theres a difference between lying about your race, and leaving the slot blank... and like someone else said in a similar thread, your race is on your transcript anyway so the college will still see it
  • FCYTravis99FCYTravis99 Posts: 291Registered User Junior Member
    Racial questions on applications are, IME, always optional. So you can leave it blank.

    However, if you lie on an admissions application, you're compromising your career before you've even started college. If you're found out before you're admitted, kiss your chances of going to that college goodbye, probably forever. If you're found out after you're admitted, you could be subject to anything from a retroactive loss of financial aid to expulsion for fraud. That's not going to look very good on your transcript.

    Universities these days take academic integrity very seriously.
  • warblersrulewarblersrule Posts: 8,730Super Moderator Senior Member
    Keshira wrote:
    What are your chances of being found out?
    If you interview, I'd say your chances range from good to excellent.
  • aisgzdavinciaisgzdavinci Posts: 1,997Registered User Senior Member
    If you interview, I'd say your chances range from good to excellent.

    More like 99.9%
  • bobmallet1bobmallet1 Posts: 872- Member
    If you interview, I'd say your chances range from good to excellent.
    wear a mask during your interview...

    What if you are an asian who grew up in peru and identifies more with the hispanic culture and ethnicity more than anything else? Can you put down hispanic?
  • k&sk&s Posts: 2,139Registered User Senior Member
    ^ Yes. Hispanic is not a race or ethnicity - it's a culture.
  • RootBeerCaesarRootBeerCaesar Posts: 1,377Registered User Senior Member
    they dont actually care about your 'ethnicity' (thats just a politcally correct way of puting it). They just care about you race - your genes, what specific race you are part of, after all, you cant base a race quota on something like what people actually identify themselves as, after all, think about all the wiggers of the world who would count themselves as black? it would be insane
  • bobmallet1bobmallet1 Posts: 872- Member
    ^How about michael jackson-esque plastic surgery? (the other way around)
  • KeshiraKeshira Posts: 1,148Registered User Member
    Yes, I suppose lying about race would compromise integrity.
    But it kind of makes me angry that it's viewed as academic integrity; the system's rampant racism is far more reprehensible than...
    Well, if I say I'm Native American, that might pass measure with the interview. I'm an Asian who's been told numerous times that she looks like she's partially Native American (especially if I put my hair in braids...) Of course, I would never dare to lie on my app like that. It's just that I don't think, if someone DID lie, that would say anything about their moral caliber;
  • KeshiraKeshira Posts: 1,148Registered User Member
    Soo... my main question was... leaving the slot blank. Would that make any difference?
  • fa-la-la-lenafa-la-la-lena Posts: 2,844Registered User Senior Member
    if you left it blank, that is your right by law; they're not supposed to care if you put a blank or not. It should not damage your app one little bit.
  • Collegekid12Collegekid12 Posts: 532- Member
    with a name like keshira, they can figure it out...unless you plan on leaving the name slot blank...
  • supsup Posts: 1,322Registered User Senior Member
    Well it's not going to help you. If I was an admissions officer I'd probably assume you were asian or white.
  • K JK J Posts: 52Registered User Junior Member
    I find this discussion rather troublesome...

    1) Race is actually not biologically constituted. It is a social construction that has nothing to do with genetics (in that case we should also have tall and short races, blue-eyed and brown-eyed races, big handed and small-handed races, etc.).

    2) Lying about your background would be wrong, yes, however, you as an individual have the right to identify with any group that you please. If you consider your identity to be more in line with what we traditionally think of as Hispanic culture, you could go ahead and state that even if your phenotypical appearance might be Asian. You have the right to identify with any group you want.

    3) Names mean nothing. Adcoms can't make assumptions based on that information--they are professionals with ethical standards to adhere to.

    It seems to me that it would be more helpful for everyone if adcoms moved away from speaking about ethnic identity or race and instead asked applicants to identify the color of their skin or even better, their ethnic background, i.e. where they hail from, not who they identify with.
  • supsup Posts: 1,322Registered User Senior Member
    You can't put Hispanic because then you'd be an affirmative action applicant.

    Yes you can identify yourself with whatever race you want, but your college applications is not the place to make this statement about yourself.

    If you're Asian, just put Asian.
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