andreaaaaaa

no, you are 1/16. try thinking in simpler terms: if two of your grandparents were chinese, you would be 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2 chinese. you add them. dividing wouldnt make sense.

its like i said in my other post,

amb3r

Well done

Do not put yourself down as native american.

ErlindaP

On one of these links they talk about the different spellings of Abenaki-it can be spelled Abnaki Wabanaki Abanaki etc. It means Eastern People or People of the dawn. The name and tribe is mainly found in Northern New England and Eastern Canada but one of the articles says at one time it was used to describe all the Eastern Algonquin speaking coastal people from Newfoundland to Virginia. If you know where your great great great grandmothers were born you might be able to look at a tribal map and figure out which Algonquin speaking tribes lived near there. There was also some movement out of New England to the Ohio River and into Oklahoma Territory after colonial times. Your relatives may have been part of a dispersal from the NE. There are also some geneological links below. One of the articles I skimmed mentions forced sterilizations of Abenaki people, that could further explain your 1/16th heritage-people were trying to survive by assimilating and intermarrying. That also bodes well for your possibilities of establishing a tie if you can find the right people to connect to. If there was forced sterilization in recent times folks are likely to welcome people of Abenaki descent finding their way back into the fold.

The Abenaki's fought fiercely to retain their lands-they have a very interesting history based on my quick skimming. I hope you will want to learn more regardless of its impact on your application.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.be...ia/abenaki.htm

http://www.native-languages.org/abenaki.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abenaki

http://www.tolatsga.org/aben.html

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/nativ...lina/index.htm

spideygirl

I think if 2 of your 32 ancestors are from a certain tribe, the amount of that blood in you is 1/16th. I also have seen the fraction 1/16th as an important number in securing financial aid from some states.

BIGTWIX

"tyler09, people like me? I apologize for having native american in my blood and trying to use every advantage that I can to get into the ONLY school that I want to get into. And secondly, if the rule is 1/32, then how is this "cheating the system" or lying? The colleges set the rules, not me or anyone else. They are the ones who established this number and I just want to use it to my advantage. If I really need a tribal ID, then I guess I'm out of luck but I really don't think that is the case."

First off, i will say that i have no respect for you as a person. Yes, maybe if you were black, hispanic, or native american, it would be acceptable to use that factor as an advantage. But don't play that "Im native american bull ****" when you really arent. If someone has to ask how to use their 1/32 native american heritage, clearly they are not true native americans. You share no relation to native american culture, and thus, by trying to use a thing like this to your advantage, you are simply being on of the jerks who ****s over the rest of us whites by claiming to be something you are not.
That being said, i have no problem with the advantages that are reaped by other races, since they do serve to help people who might be at a disadvantage racially or economically. But people who try and abuse the system lack integrity and honesty.

And you MUST be a registered tribe member for any advantages. But you don't even count as a Native American. Obviously, you are white, given that you seem unable to justify your 1/32 heritage native american as being part of your culture. You come strictly from the "American" Culture, not tribal culture.

BIGTWIX

And by your reasoning, then i am hispanic. So i should apply as hispanic right?
Uhhh, no. Im fifth generation, white American, with the exception of my dark skinned, hispanic portugese grandpa, who makes me 1/4th portugese.
Portugal being one of the 4 kingdoms of the iberian peninsula that the Romans classified as "Hispania". Although portugese later adopted the term "Lusitanic" to describe their race.

So i have a right to apply as hispanic, as I can easily justify it with my grandpa's last name, rodriguez. But I choose not to because
1. Im white
2. My culture is white

jag08

I talked to the college admissions people the other day and had a long conversation about my native american heritage, and they said they were interested in the fact that I wanted to learn more and become more involved in my heritage. Although I have decided not to put "Native American" on my application(due to the fact that I would have to provide paperwork which would take time that I simply do not have right now) I would really like to get connected with others of Abenaki blood. So, if you are or know anything else about the heritage or any groups that are still around that I could get in touch with, please let me know

And if you're going to post something rude, or anything of that nature, just save your time and go somewhere else because it's pointless. Thanks!

ErlindaP

Hi Jag,

I'm really glad you are going to investigate your heritage more. The links I posted should help you get started with both the Abenakis and native history in Virginia and North Carolina. I've known quite a few Indian people in my life and have really cherished those relationships. There is a tremendous amount to learn and I'm sure you will find it extremely fascinating. If you can take a Native American Studies class at University, they can be wonderful. Dartmouth was founded as a college for Indians so if you are applying there and are lucky enough to get in, I'm sure they will offer something.Dartmouth is also near Abenaki lands so it would be a good base for investigations. A good book of general interest for getting to know Indian ways of thinking about the world is the book "Touch the Earth." It may be out of print but you can probably get a used copy on Amazon. It is a book of Native American Treaty Oratory. Oratory was HUGELY important to many tribes and how one spoke was very important. So these speeches are both historic documents and often beautifully composed and expressed. I wish you lots of luck in tracking down your native roots.

ErlindaP

It looks like one of the founders of Dartmouth was a Mohegan Indian, I think they may be a branch of the Abenakis. Dartmouth has a big commitment to Native American Education and to Native American Studies as you can see if you follow these two links. Darthmouth might be a place to ask about the Abenakis.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nap/
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nas/history/index.html

vadox6466

Whoever misspells "mediocre" as "medeoker" should not be admitted anywhere. Period.

spideygirl

Bigtwix - the meaning of the term "hispanic" in the college admissions world is defined by usage. Portuguese people from Portugal in no way fit that term. Therefore, not claiming it does nothing for your argument.

Another way to look at this issue is to consider statistics. Typically, the number of Native Americans who enroll in top colleges does not come close to the number of them that colleges would like to see. Because of this, candidates like jag would not really be taking a spot from someone else. Also, jag's presence in the numbers could provide a more accurate view of progress made in the Native American population's quest for greater participation in higher education.

jag08

I love how certain people keep replying to this thread, trying to be negative and judge me, hahaha. And I'm pretty sure it's NOT that big of a deal that I misspelled mediocre, I think college admissions officers will look past my one spelling error

as for everyone else who was been more than helpful, thanks! Especially ErlindaP! I visited Dartmouth's website and it looks like a great school with an amazing Native American program! You rock

Sincele

Cherokees have no blood quantum requirement at least the one on Oklahoma. as long as your ancestor or ancestors were listed on the Dawes rolls in 1908 you are eligible. The Band in North Carolina requires 1/8. BTW, most people that claim Cherokee and are not enrolled are usually laughed at by real Indians.

Sincele

My ggggg-grandmother was an Native American princess. Should I apply for a Scholarship designed for Native Americans. I know nothing about Cherokees and don't care to but hey if it will get me some money after all like Spidey Girl said,("Another way to look at this issue is to consider statistics. Typically, the number of Native Americans who enroll in top colleges does not come close to the number of them that colleges would like to see. Because of this, candidates like jag would not really be taking a spot from someone else. Also, jag's presence in the numbers could provide a more accurate view of progress made in the Native American population's quest for greater participation in higher education.) I'm taking Spideys advice and get me some Indian money!!

spideygirl

Sincele - while you did cut and paste my words, the context you used them in does not match my intention or the tone of my original message. I think each person needs to proceed through the admissions process respectfully, honestly, and with integrity, and let adcoms decide what they need in assembling a freshman class.

Here is one thing which is an absolute guarantee: A person who was an African-American, Hispanic, Native-American bassoonist, AND who was adopted by Bill and Melinda Gates, with a 4.0 and 2400, would still be REJECTED if adcoms sniffed out evidence of cultural insensitivity, poor character, and a snarky, sarcastic approach to real issues.

Despite statistics, EC's, and race or ethnicity, every college (and every employer) wants to admit a person with fantastic character and a high EQ.