Johnson181

That's probably not going to do top colleges all that much for them.
My 160+ IQ cousin failed out of UConn because he has no work ethic.

You try telling a kid who is a standard deviation below that IQ range or two that they don't deserve to go to a top school compared to my cousin even if they would be able to be top of their class.


Work ethic is what matters, not your actual IQ (although if you had an IQ of around 85 or so it may make school a wee bit difficult for you...).

wpolo8

ha, i don't think we wan't test-taking zombies walking around college campuses.

tetrisfan

^ No, 'course not!

aisgzdavinci

@ Newjack

I have to agree with zhvxoxqew. I live in China, so I have to agree on most of wat s/he is saying. And about the economic growth thing, I can see like 10 skyscrapers being built right now from my place. I also don't understand how your stock market statistics really relates to the growth of China. All it's telling me is that stock markets are volatile, not a lot of relation to the economy.

But seriously, if you haven't lived in China for several years, then don't make comments about the facism and socialism stuff. There aren't anymore propaganda posters about "Do this for the sake of your country".

Also, I have the feeling that you're trying to avoid the truth that CHN is catching up. Always want to stay in your little reality that your country is the best, right? I love these debates, seriously.

tetrisfan

I'm Indian and I definitely say that China is catching up to the US...aisgzdavinci, I'm on your side!

jessiehl

This thread is sort of ridiculous. Colleges want people who will succeed in the college, who will contribute to the college while they are there, and who, after graduation, will bring glory to the college's name. And why should they not?

The people who will meet these criteria are different for different colleges. People who did research in high school have potential to become great researchers. Athletes at schools with major athletic programs bring in alumni donations and provide the student body with a means of recreation. Student government kids could be future business executives or politicians. Sustained commitment to specific activities indicates that the student has the discipline necessary to succeed at that college.

People here do also tend to get so focused on the non-academic side of things that they forget that your grades, rigor of schedule, and test scores really do matter. It's just that they only matter to a certain point. Presumably they stop mattering beyond that point because the school has determined that beyond that point, they are no longer useful for determining whether those students will be successful.

beefs

That's a big LMFAO.

dlm.jorge

It's because there are certain intangibles to success, and the ultimate goal of any university is to produce skilled, well educated citizens who are willing and capable of positive societal contributions.

Narcissa

Lol, and Chinese studnets at Chinese colleges do that VERY well--the whole point of this thread.

exactly, but I'm saying that Chinese students who test into their top colleges end up being skilled, well educated citizens who are willing and capable of positive societal contributions anyways.

Newjack88

Narcissa:
first of all, no one is saying that Chinese students don't give back to their universities. anyways, there are already a lot of Chinese students who get into top universities under the current system. lastly, there is a lot of bureaucracy in China and almost everything is awarded by merit. things don't work like that in the US. if you pay attention in your AP US History class you will come to understand that people in the US value much more subjective things when it comes to assigning roles. just look at corporate buzz words: "hardworker", "team player", "goal oriented", "winner", "vision", etc. people who have these abstract qualities are the ones who succeed in the US.

hmmm i never said that China wasn't "catching up" to the US. i think that any one who disagreed is ignorant of world affairs.

haha why would i need to live in China to know these things? you are outright wrong about the socialism thing. first of all, nothing is wrong with the idea of socialism and almost every democratic government in the world has some socialistic programs that benefit society. most important though is that your country's officials emphasize that their economic policies do not contradict socialism. as for fascism, i said that it wasn't as "fascist" anymore. it still doesn't have a great human rights/liberties record etc.

please research this topic some more... :/

*cough* extreme nationalism *cough*
dude, chill out. why would i want to debate about which country is better? i was just posting because i know a lot about this subject... anyways, hate to break it to you but even if China's economy passes the US's it'd be a moot point. the quality of life the average American has would still be better than that of the average Chinese. since per capita income correlates to quality of life, China would need to establish a per capita income of about almost $40,000 to match the quality of life in America. achieving such a high level of per capita income would be virtually impossible since China has 1.3 billion people. do $40,000 times 1.3 billion and that's about how much wealth China would need to produce if it really wants to be the next America.

P.S.
guys, i'm not a China hater, i'm just informed and i suggest you become informed too . (by becoming informed i actually mean read books about this topic. i think it's pretty interesting... oh yea, going on wikipedia isn't sufficient.)

beefs

Narcissa, its starting to look like you the only point of the original post was to come back and bash affirmative action with your evidence from Chinese universities. Please dont deny it

Narcissa

I do support Affirmative Action, btw, I would by far rather be in an environment with different types of ppl than where it's 60% asian (honest)

nowhere did I say that I actually support the asian university system.

beefs

Narcissa, everytime someone provides support or ideas as to why american universities have a more holistic admissions process, you refute that with "asian students do just as well." Whats the point of posting at all if that's what youre gonna say everytime?

Narcissa

cuz their ideas and supports are all exactly the same: they think there's something more to scores and grades. and my answer is the same: asian students do just as well. I'm just trying to see if anyone has any real answers

krazykool

Beefs, the stock market just reflects the public perception of China's economy, not China's actual economy. The public is fickle and their opinions change quickly; I would agree with aisgzdavinci that all it tells us is that stock markets are volatile.