Narcissa

no, there was a study done that said that on average asians had a higher IQ (but not by much, hence my comment)

i think it was just talking about asians in America, tho, so the data is probably a bit twisted.

Well anyways we're all asians in America (i think) so my comment holds.

btw a really high IQ does not correlate with doing well in school

beefs

Thanks for showing me why I should not read anything you write ever again.

Narcissa

....then dont? lol?

they are, tho, according to IQ averages. whether you believe in IQ tests or not is up to you.

Firebird44

okay i see. well duh if people studied a lot and didn't do anything else i wouldn't want them at my college anyways.

haha yeah that's what I've been trying to say. I'm taking 6 AP's right now and I study about 1-2 hours a day... and I have a 3.6 uw gpa and a 4.67 weighted gpa... there's NO way i can get a 4.0 uw gpa with these courses if I studied 1-2 hours a day. I hate it when I walk in bio class and these asian kids that get 47/50 on bio tests say they barely study, but get high test scores... its complete ******** because I know they go home right away and open the books.. no sports... no friends.. no clubs

and yeah... asians in America are the most prosperous than any other race... but that's not what i'm getting at... when people ask why do asians do so well in school... it's mainly because they study MUCH MUCH more than other races do. it's not a stereotype... its a fact


i just thought the OP's original question was really funny... cause it could be one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard regarding college admissions

or maybe I just see the answer more clearly than others

Narcissa

well i get high scores but i do have friends/sports (varsity tennis) and a few clubs so i guess i'm not completely asian =P

Firebird44

no this guy said he never opens the book and gets A+ on every test... he's a complete nerd , but he says he parties everyday with girls... there's 60 pages of material every test... and he seems to know all of it without reading it

sorry but I bet you joined those clubs just to show colleges... don't worry I did the same...until i realized how dumb clubs were... I was president of 3 clubs, but didn't put any of that useless junk on my EC list.

Newjack88

Narcissa:
people who try to equate race with intelligence are simply racist. if you believe this stuff then you are either racist or just ignorant.

this statement makes you look racist. it seems to me that you already think of Asians as intellectually superior to everyone else? you know that the IQ exam test has MANY flaws and is totally biased in almost every way possible yet you choose to believe that Asians are intellectually superior? nice.

i'm going to be nice and assume you are just being ignorant since you are the same person who blames her math woes on being a female and makes statements like "males are better than females at math." Narcissa, stop listening to your parents or whoever is putting all of these stupid ideas in your head...

EDIT:
oh yea, and i don't think that an apology for making such outlandish statements would be out of line...

Narcissa

i wasn't even the person who said that! and i certainly don't believe it. somebody said "girls suck at math" and i just pointed out that according to USAMO and stuff there are more guys who are better at math. but that's probably because of many cultural reasons.

some of them, yes, but not most of them (math team, science olympiad, etc--i joined them first because all my friends were in them and then because i liked it) =/

you kno, i used to think this (subconsciously)...until i realized how stupid most asians are anyways.

lol

fine

that was really ignorant of me, sorry. I don't believe that asians are intellectually superior..I think that it's just the asian culture and all the pressures of being asian (you MUST be good at math/science, you MUST then have a 4.0 etc) that make asians take school and academics more seriously (and probably stuff like IQ tests too). IQ tests are stupid I AGREE SORRY EVERYONE WHO WAS OFFENDED

lmao...that is funny

that would be the INTERNET

by the way, my "i wish i were smarter" thread got totally twisted...i never really said that "i suck at math cuz i'm a girl." nor did i say that "i'm struggling in my calculus class." people kinda just assumed everything.

Newjack88

thanks. perhaps beefs will read your posts again? :P

limnieng

Just a interesting thought:

Suppose one day we find evidence that, let's say Bolivians, are intellectually superior than others. Will we suppress this information or knowingly subvert the evidence for fear of being labeled racist and causing societal unrest? Or will we simply say it simply because such evidence has been found?

The notion of equity is strong along racial lines because we deem this to be inherently innate. Thus the preponderance for us to cast the blame on society, upbringing, background etc. for our different lots in life, in the name of saying all homo sapiens are born equal.

Yet, it is plainly seen that not all humans are born equal. We have unfortunate friends that are borned physically or mentally challenged; there are those who are gifted in arts, sports, science.....We accept these as individual cases to be celebrated or lament. But when these differences are extended to the racial lines, we make every effort to blur them, especially when it involves the dimension of intellect.

It would seem very plain to me that a vast majority of African Americans are very gifted in sports and music, evidenced by the number of them as sportmans, rap artists and musicians. Yes, this does not extend to all of them, but Eminem would be the exception. Generalization is discouraged and frowned on, yet nevertheless, generalization is a tendency.

Suppose superiority in the global world today is based on physical prowess, and not on the ability to use intellect to control and create. Hunting is valued more than thinking. Menial workers valued more than professors. Will we then also start to vehemently deny physical superiority in any race?

This is not definitely not about racism, it is asking the what if. What if race is not equal, and do we have the strength and wisdom to deal with it. Or will we choose ignorance for the greater good?

anotherNJmom

limnieng has a valid point.

Narcisar, the IQ test about asia you mentioned was done by sampling in NA or in Asia. IMO, if sampling done in asia, you might prove your point. However if the sampling done here in NA, it would be a different story. On average the asians made it across the ocean to NA are a littel 'smart' than the asian left in their home countries.

Newjack88

that day would never come because people cannot define what "intelligence" truly is. if we cannot define it how can we adequately test it?

not all tendencies are good. pedophiles have the tendency to be sexually attracted to young children and i'm pretty sure we can all agree that's not a good tendency.

also, generalizations are frowned upon because they are a hinderance. even in writing generalizations are frowned upon because they prevent the paper from reaching a deeper meaning.

limnieng

I agree that intelligence is very difficult to define, hence we now have a multitude of different intelligences: emotional, kinetics, cognitive etc. Are we able to test these different kinds once we break them down is another topic altogether. But my point was not whether we can test them or not. By saying 'that day would never come' is like closing the door because you don't like what you see behind it. My point is will you accept such information if we have solid evidence and are able to test them, or deny them because you want to uphold notions of racial equality (a very artificial construct against all kinds of empirical evidence)

Also, I'm not talking about whether generalization and tendencies are good or not. I did acknowledge that generalizations are not representative of the group (hence my talk on African Americans and Eminem). I'm saying by virtue of our ability to generalize (all cats have 4 feets, most humans are born with 2 arms and 2 legs), the concept of generalization does show tendencies. I am asking if we are able to acknowledge these tendencies in the face of evidence. Then comes the question of whether this tendency is good or not.

We don't go around saying pedophiles don't exist. We acknowledge that they do have these tendencies first, then comes the question of evaluation. Similarly, do we have the strength to first acknowledge tendencies (or read inequality i.e this race has a tendency to have higher IQ, that race has a tendency to have stronger physical strength etc.) along racial lines and then decide what to do with them.....

Narcissa

Wow. people here are very eloquent

Bay

I think it would be de-emphasized for two reasons: 1) It is very divisive to label certain races superior to others (RIP Adolph), and 2) more importantly, the "So what?" factor. Unless we can prove that a higher IQ necessarily translates to more valuable contributions to society and the world, there is no point in emphasizing it.