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Battle of the Cross Admits

bmwdan13bmwdan13 Posts: 376Registered User Member
edited September 2008 in College Admissions
I keep hearing generalizations about how Harvard wins most of the cross admits from Yale and how Yale and Princeton fight for cross admits... I'm wondering if there is any statistical information on where cross admits to top schools end up choosing to go. I suppose yield rates have some value in this assessment, but there must be some kind of information about people specifically accepted to top schools who have to choose. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find this information?
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  • worried_momworried_mom Posts: 2,205Registered User Senior Member
    According to this research paper, Harvard > Yale >Princeton.

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105
  • tokenadulttokenadult Posts: 17,473Super Moderator Senior Member
    Here's the full text of the working paper, which is currently being prepared for peer reviewed journal publication, I have been told.

    http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/papers/1287.pdf

    Each college tries to gather its own data about how it does in gaining cross-admits, but of course most colleges don't publish most of these data.
  • stupidkidstupidkid Posts: 607Registered User Member
    very interesting...
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    tokenadult --

    just wanted to point out that your Wharton link's cover page is dated September, 2004. The link in the post above yours is dated December 2005.

    somehow between the paper dated September, 2004, and the paper dated December, 2005, Stanford slipped from #3 to #5, and Berkeley from #23 to #27.
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    bmwdan13,

    Note that in the (2005) linked paper, Table 7 shows revealed preference by student split in separate columns for math/science, and humanities. Note how Brown, Penn and Columbia are much lower ranked for math/science students.

    Also note that schools not containted in the 110 school rank list, like Harvey Mudd, Rose Hull, and Cooper Union, are included in the math/science listing on that table.

    If a student has strong preferences in either direction, Table 7 -- p. 44, is more relevant than the collapsed data. Counter to my intuition, for Humanities oriented students, Harvard drops behind Stanford into #3 preference, with Yale in the #1 spot.

    No matter how it is sliced, the acronym CHYMPS is upheld as the top 6 colleges.
  • tokenadulttokenadult Posts: 17,473Super Moderator Senior Member
    I'll have to check that issue of the updates in the working paper. It's all the same underlying data set, so if there are rank changes, they must result from a reconsideration of the rank order procedure.
  • wjbwjb Posts: 2,902Registered User Senior Member
    Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices

    Here is an interesting chart that appeared in the NYT in 2006. The New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices
    This is the accompanying article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/weekinreview/17leonhardt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    In the battle for cross-admits (at least as of 9/06) Harvard dominates, with Yale coming in second.
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    wjb... the source of that NYT article and chart is exactly the working paper referenced above. I do appreciate that they made it much easier to read :)
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    These data do demonstrate that Harvard enjoys a stand alone overall position. However for students not interested in math/science, Yale stands in first with Stanford in second.

    Just goes to show that "overall" rankings are really not applicable to a great precentage of people who are not generalists, but lean already toward humanities or math/science.

    I am reasonably sure as well that admits to the Wharton School at Penn might in fact prefer Wharton over Harvard or any other school by some margin.
  • midatlmommidatlmom Posts: 1,406Registered User Senior Member
    This paper was written based on research gathered in 1999-2000, so the research is 8 years old. It is not clear that the results would be the same today--for example, Princeton has been No. 1 in US News for several years, Penn has moved to a consistently higher position and this might have impacted students.
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    midatlmom,

    I think you are suggesting that the USNWR rankings materially influences students' matriculation preferences. That is an interesting and I think valid point. Inasmuch as even the youngest CHYMPS schools have been around for over 100 years, and not much has changed between 2000 and the present at these schools, any movement up by Princeton (for example, from below to above Stanford) would I assume be in some part a reaction to the USNWR rankings.

    The USNWR would then bump up against the principle that concerns sociologists and anthropologists (and Heisenberg, if I recall) -- that it is difficult if not impossible to study and report data without the observer influencing and changing those very data.

    Or are you suggesting that the school itself (Princeton) has increased in popularity for reasons unassociated with USNWR since 2000?
  • slipper1234slipper1234 Posts: 9,085Registered User Senior Member
    The New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices

    According to this 78% of the students getting into both choose Dartmouth. Not that this means much, but a data point.
  • dcircledcircle Posts: 1,846Registered User Senior Member
    78% of those choosing between northwestern and dartmouth choose dartmouth.

    it's interesting to me how different students preferences are from the US News rankings (brown wins the majority from columbia, penn, cornell, duke, dartmouth, etc.)
  • slipper1234slipper1234 Posts: 9,085Registered User Senior Member
    Whoops posted my message on the wrong board! Brown is underrated in USNEWS in my opinion.
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