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Old 12-23-2004, 10:39 PM   #1
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Healthcare: A right?

Discuss. I for one believe it is, though not Constitutionally mandated.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:18 AM   #2
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In my opinion -- life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are the only rights that everyone else has. Helalthcare should only be a right for those who do something to earn it.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:21 AM   #3
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woohoo, I got a live one! Well, I don't see it as a right as much as I see it as the moral and human thing to do.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:26 AM   #4
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This is a catch-22 for me as I want my fiancee to have a cure for MS, but the damn medication is so expensive. She is on Medicaid so its covered. (Covers nursing home also) But there needs to be more accountiblity for these medical places as they overcharge drastically for basic services. You can't tell me that a hospital stay truly costs $2500 a day. Total BS
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:35 AM   #5
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What I was going for is let's say you have nothing: no money, no insurance, you're broke, on welfare, live in the ghetto (not WWII), and you need an expensive heart transplant or whathaveyou. I remember thinking back to JohnQ (yes, I watched it, I give it 6/10) and wondering why should the person have to die when the cure is right in front of their eyes, and the only thing that prevents them from living on is money. In case you're wondering, ndbisme is not dying... yet.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:37 AM   #6
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to keep up the quality of healthcare, it needs to stay private
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:39 AM   #7
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Definetly keep it private. The supreme ultimate question though is: Do we put a cost on human life? I have read stories where up to five million dollars was spent to save just one patient.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:46 AM   #8
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I agree that it needs to remain private, but monopolies and price controls need to be removed. Surely we want improvements and advances in healthcare, but the price, in terms of dollar bills, is egregious (WARNING: SAT WORD ALERT). I mean, why the hell is medicine and healthcare cheaper in Canada than in the US? I actually know the answer (ability to pay), it was meant as a rhetorical question.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:48 AM   #9
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True many treatments maybe cheaper in Canada, but call up for an elective surgery, or an appointment to use an MRI. 4-6 month wait minimum. What America needs is a blend of the 2 systems. (US and Canuck)
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:59 AM   #10
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Hmm (again )... in the last post I was mostly focusing on drugs. As far as healthcare (physicians, etc.) I don't really know what to do.
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Old 12-28-2004, 01:48 AM   #11
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I'd move to Cuba if people perceived it as a right. Instead we have dumbasses here who think we should privatise health way to go!

keep those private companies ripping off out of the people!
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:59 AM   #12
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Rhizome: Despite people's criticism of you on this board, I find you refreshing and I'm always glad to see your posts.
Others: The right wing has fooled you; there is a way to implement non-private healthcare and still keep quality around. It's called upgrades, a mix of public and private. Therefore, those that have income, or more income can have the most efficient healthcare. But those who are poor still get some basic healthcare, which I believe everyone deserves, basically the minimum necessity for life.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:38 PM   #13
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Thank you grammy. Excellent post.

As a person who has an inside view into private healthcare (my mother is the director of 4 major departments at one of the world's largest hospitals), the need and expense of health care is a right for every being on earth. There should be no turning down of patient's if they are in need of care and if they cannot pay for the entirety of the medical bill, have them pay what they can and then make a contract to pay off the rest in installments.

Healthcare is expensive, but every person deserves quality healthcare. That is undeniable.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:45 PM   #14
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A certain level of healthcare should be available to all but money should buy a better quality/more advanced.

... its a touchy moral subject that I don't have time to write about right now.
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:46 PM   #15
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there is a way to implement non-private healthcare and still keep quality around. It's called
Socialism.




I mean, Canada does it, so it MUST be the right thing to do then. RIGHT!?
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