Nickel Xenon

That kind of idea... That seems too naive. I really don't see the point in getting that kind of education. Competition makes people work harder. What would be the point of overachieving when you're just going to the same school an underachiever is going to? I wouldn't want to work as hard because I'd find it unfair. I wouldn't get anything special for working hard, so what's the point?

I think you're trying to make everyone seem equal and it doesn't work that way. Someone will always be more valuable to let's say, a company or something, because that person has had a better education, more special skills, etc. That's how competition works. The most qualified person gets the job. And you sound kind of like a socialist.

catsushi

PS: I was born in the Soviet Union. I'm more communist than you are!

zipper

Thanks for all your comments. Sorry if I offended you, catsushi.

I'm just saying that their will be no competition where learning is concrned. Thie will be competition in publishing papers, research, etc.

I have diferent beliefs. When I see a "stupid person" I see that they are talented and interseted in different things. I have a brother who does very porly in schools. Everyone thinks he's dumb. But I see his unique talent and passion for nature and animals. He loves nature, and reads tons of books about animals, ets.

My education system would give people like him--their are millions--to get an oppoortunity to expand on their intresest. In my systen, my brother could work with a zoologist, do all sorts of things.

Also, if you "work" harder, you'll be able to do better papers, research, etc. It won't be in vain.

I am a socialist. And so is Albert Einstein and Noam Chomsky

Nickel Xenon

Well see, there's where we have the problem. I'm not a socialist. And plenty of smart people have beliefs I don't agree with. The founding fathers of the USA owned slaves and are still looked up to.

zipper

^^ Why arn't you a socialist?

Nickel Xenon

Because when I was little, I was poor. I was so poor I had to wear clothes that had been owned by three cousins before me. No one ever believed in me and the most they expected was that I'd get married and have someone to support the 12 kids they'd thought I'd have. I hated it and you know what? I did something about it. Everyone complained they didn't have as much as the white rich kids, but they never did anything about it.

That's all they did, complained. And I worked harder than everyone else there. And I know it's selfish, but I feel I deserve more. I earned what I have now and I find it unfair to live somewhere where everything is equal. I want them to say, "Wow, that chick worked hard." I want that six figure income and big house and I'm sick of when everyone gives more attention to the underachivers.

In my district, all the money seems to go towards helping the kids that aren't doing as well. What about me? I'd like special programs for me. I know I'm selfish person, but I don't care. Those are just my feelings. I just became a very bitter person over the years and I can't help it.

zipper

catsushi,

You don't have a clue what Survival of the fittest means. It refers to species dominating other species. The USA has done away with that idea regarding society about 50 years ago. Please, read about it before using it to make falty arguments.

Also, Nickel Xenon, sorry that you are that way.

What do you want, free exclusive clubs for the rich? How about free food?

Nickel Xenon

You...really don't understand. You totally missed my point.

Tyler09

sure this works for people who are simply motivated by learning in the first place....

Sungchul

Some kids, like me, only do well because of competition. If that factor goes away, and I have no one to prove myself to, I doubt I'll do as well as I do. :| And besides, I really like lectures and discussions. :|

davnasca

“Also, to have debate, you have to know some information first. How the hell can you have a debate over WW2 if you know nothing about it? for example.”

How can fresh ideas be brought to the table if everyone is experiencing an identical education?



“Do you know anyone who does not like anything? I talked to a psychologist about this, and he said this to me.”

Psychologists also used to think that zapping people with electricity, severing the corpus callosum, and mushing up peoples’ forebrains was beneficial.



“I have diferent beliefs. When I see a "stupid person" I see that they are talented and interseted in different things. I have a brother who does very porly in schools. Everyone thinks he's dumb. But I see his unique talent and passion for nature and animals. He loves nature, and reads tons of books about animals, ets.”

Then why try to give everyone the same education? By realizing that he has different talents, you are completely contradicting your idea of education. He is different and should be at a school that recognizes his different talents. Not holed up with a computer taking a course that everyone else is taking. We should have tracked schools that recognize these differences, not computers that ignore them.

And yes I consider myself a socialist. You are describing communism, not socialism.

Nickel Xenon

Exactly! I have a need to prove myself. A want to become the best there is out there. What would be the point in trying if your work will be valued just as much as someone that didn't try as hard?

zipper

If you want to be the best, then you have an inferiority complex. Trust me, you want to be the best to feel superior--a feeling resulting from an inferiority complex.

I too have a very strong inferiority complex. I want to be the best--that's why I took 6 AP tests last year and take 6 college courses. I became a National AP Scholar just to look better than my classmates. I took the most rigorous courses just to feel superior.

I know exactly what you feel. You have to feel better, me too.

But under my system

Nickel Xenon

Under your system...? What?

davnasca

I am beginning to think this is a troll.