Godfatherbob

Spoken like a true republican bigot. I have news for you as5hole, the world (I know this is gonna sound foreign to you) does NOT revolve around America and the world does NOT revolve around your petty existence. You're concerned that every cent of your "earned" money doesn't go directly to you? As if you actually worked hard for that money. That random citizen 5,000 miles across the effing ocean works hard. You sit on your ass and rake in your upper tax bracket wages.

You want YOUR protection? Protection from what? Are you referring to the one attack the United States has endured in the last 60 years? Yea, so let's sh1t on Israel and not give them any money, because it's not as if they've endured any attacks within the last 60 years. . . except of course for three wars, all of which sought the genocide of the entire Israeli people, and too many terrorist attacks to count. But yea, let's worry about your extra $100 per year so YOU can be protected.

So according to your world: The 4.5 million Jews of Israel should be killed, poor people should die, public schools should fall into disrepair, the economy should go to hell for the middle class, and every country besides the United States should not be an issue for Americans, all so you can keep a little bit more of your "hard earned" money.

It's pointless for me to get angry at you, or insult you, or express my disgust, because a) you've probably heard it all before, and b) there are a lot more like you. Your #1 concern in life is your money, which you don't even deserve. It's just pathetic.

MBP

mr. bob, do you support the wars america is in right now? (serious question).

nbachris2788

Isn't there a simple economic concept known as marginal returns or something? The more money one has, the less valuable each dollar becomes to them. So if the government needs some extra cash, it's better to take a little bit more from the wealthy, who can already easily afford food, shelter, and almost every luxury except for their own rollercoaster in their backyard, than from the poor. It's like that Biblical parable of the poor woman who gives two gold coins to the church, and the many wealthy people who give a lot more. Yet Jesus appreciates the poor woman's contribution more because that money was a lot more valuable to her.

The Republicans and conservatives are the ones that have effectively made Israel the 51st state of the America; the Democrats are merely spinelessly following their lead. Most liberals want to end excessive aid to Israel and broker a peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians, while many conservatives would rather use Israel as a puppet in the Middle East, or have it be ground zero for the upcoming Armageddon.

People like you are typical. The vast majority (like 95%) of your taxes DO NOT go to anti-poverty programs. There's no horde of mythical black welfare queens that the likes of Ronald Reagan tricked you into believing in. The vast majority of taxes go to help senior citizens, children, veterans, infrastructure, and the military. So do you hate old people, babies, war heroes, strong bridges, and GI Joe?

Extremely convincing argument.

BedHead

McCain 14
Obama 27
Barr 1 (possibly 2)
Other 3



Wait, is it that the go-getters on CC are smart enough to vote for Obama? Or is it that CC is actually chock full of people who need or want govt. handouts?

I like McCain, I just can't imagine anyone would think he's a good choice for president.

Sheed30

-i'm not a republican

- Yes, im concerned that every cent of my EARNED money doesn't somehow support me directly.

- i work hard for my money

- i dont rake in my upper tax bracket wages...my family does not make very much money at all..

- I dont care if that citizen 5000 miles away works hard, let his country take care of him, i really couldn't care less. I don understand why in the world america should have to support the rest of the world when our own economy and our own citizens are doing pretty ****tie.

- yes, i want my protection, and im happy im getting it..why not have ZERO attacks in 60 years, there's no reason we should have any attacks at all.

- i really could not care less about israel, like i said before ...why not protect somalia and zimbabwe and put our troops in sudan while we're at it? Our job is not to protect the WORLD it's to protect the united state of america.

- Yes, I will worry about that 100 dollars per year to protect me, put that 100 dollars a year from all of us citizens together and maybe that ONE attack doesn't happen.

-Actually that's according to YOU...i never said that.

alright, so you're basically just going to personally attack me? go ahead.


No, I don't hate them.....

Godfatherbob

God no. Bring the troops home ASAP is what I believe.


Good point. That's why we need another Democrat in charge of foreign policy. Now that Yassar Arafat is dead, another Camp David Accord would probably work, and Obama would be just the right person to do something like that. He's actually willing to negociate with the Palestinians, Iran, etc. And while, according to the New York Times, 70-80% of Palestinians support continued terrorism, negociation is really the only solution. Terrorism is not a last resort, it's a very, very effective way of getting things done, and unfortunately we (we being the international community) really have no way to combat it, other than sitting down at the bargaining table with the leaders of terrorist organizations who target innocent people.

I'd say he hates all of the above (special emphasis on the latter), as well as the poor, the middle class, Blacks, Jews, foreigners, intellectuals, and, judging by his infatuation with his pay check, himself.

Wasn't expecting that one. What are you then?

I have news for you. There is not a $100 limit on our taxes. You can (dare I say it) pay $200 per year and have half go to national security and the other half go to other countries that need the money. I'm not saying one attack every 60 years is good, I'm saying that compared with other countries' vulnerability, ours is diminutive. I'm also saying our tax dollars can do BOTH. And if you're still pms'y about losing your money, how about we take that crapload of money out of funding the Iraq War? (Now that you've said you're not a Republican, I don't actually know if you support the War, so if you don't, then don't take this as an attack).

It's true we cannot protect the world. But does that mean we should become isolationist? Just because our recent endeavors on foreign soil (Iraq, Vietnam, etc.) have been catastrophes, doesn't mean that isolationism is correct. Iraq and Vietnam were wars for personal gain (personal as in American), not for humanitarianism. We SHOULD involve ourselves in Sudan, because the crisis there is a humanitarian one. There are 2.5 million Sudanese refugees in their own country, and to intervene there would benefit the world a lot more than our involvement in Iraq (since which time 4,000 US troops and 90,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives), and cost you no more money.

And since when has life become a "whose country is better" contest? It may seem natural to want to make our country "the best" and help our people "the most," but take a step back for a minute. Are you really contending that one random person "5000 miles accross the effing ocean" is somehow inferior, or "worth less" than one random person in the United States? You think that your $100 is worth more, not just than his $100, but than his life? Than his and 100 of his countrymen's lives? Do have some master chart in your office that weighs the lives of people from other countries in comparison to Americans'? How many Sudanese refugees is an American worth? Better yet, how many Sudanese refugees is a White American worth? I'm not claiming you should donate your entire paycheck to Somalia, but I think you can spare a few extra % on your taxes.

TerpDad

What I would like to hear is where both candidates stand in reducing wasted tax dollars! Tell me what programs are wasteful and what plans they have to eliminate them! Stop telling me how you plan to spend on this or that! Show me you can budget like every other responsible American! Or is this an unreasonable request to ask of our candidates? ( excluding war spending )

Sheed30

- I'm a "libertarian"

ad hominems for the win right? I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't act so rude.

- i dont support the war...

- my family isn't even america...i was born here, but my parents and my relatives weren't...

All I would want is to give that money going to maybe somalia or sudan instead of israel. I dont agree with what israel is doing..there should be no reason why someone should force me to "help" their cause.

If you keep talking sh1t about me, I'll stop replying....just so you know

BarristerDad118

McCain 14
Obama 28
Barr 1 (possibly 2)
Other 3

Obama is more disciplined than McCain and the electorate is ready for change and a fresh face. Moreover, although McCain is doggedly loyal to most of the Bush dogma, he is running as an "experience" candidate in the wrong year.

ari102791

^Godfatherbob
You are naive about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You can't just snap your fingers, go to Camp David, and then magically get peace. What you don't understand is that Abbas has been consistently losing power and refuses to create a Palestinian state that doesn't include East Jerusalem. I don't know if you remember the fierce opposition in Israel to the withdrawal from Gaza (which wasn't traditionally isn't even part of Israel) and the even larger amount of Israelis that regret pulling out of Gaza (becuase parts of Southern Israel are being bombarded by rockets, and becuase Hamas violently took over Gaza).
Although your solution sounds very nice, it won't work. For a peace process to succeed (although this may not work also) you have to give alot of time on both sides and make slow but gradual progress.

Lumine

McCain 14
Obama 29
Barr 1 (possibly 2)
Other 3

nbachris2788

Many libertarians are Republicans without the moral hypocrisy. They're greedy and selfish, but at least they're honest about it and about wanting to get laid and do drugs.

But I do respect Sheed30's consistency, in that he wants ALL of his tax dollars withdrawn from government programs. Too many conservatives only rail against the relatively miniscule tax funds that help minorities and poor people while remaining silent on the vast amounts more spent on useless military expenditures that amount to little more than a dick-measuring contest.

MBP

so, if you're so upset about making sure that israel is protected, why are you deadset the war against terror which is working in afganistan, kuwait, etc. to get the terror groups which are attacking israel?

be careful when you call people bigots. it upsets people.

what's that supposed to mean? not all republicans support the war. not all republicans are evil. quite basing opinions on stereotypes.

great point, nbachris. this is one of the biggest problems i have with much of the conservatives.

Dbate

There was a court case about wheter or not citizens could challenge the way the government spent tax dollars, and the sum came to be that citizens can not challege.
As for supporting Israel, a large reason why our nation supports Israel is that several influential and wealthy ppl in our nation are Jewish, and they support Israel and they give the money to the politicians so the politicians support Israel. This is true for both Dem. and Rep. look at Obama and Hillary at the AIPAC. Another thing is that Israel is a place where American companies have invested. America spends money to protect its interests, thats why we don't challenge Saudi Arabia although they have a more oppressive government than Iran.

On a side note i am republican, but i am not dillusional as to the errors within foriegn policy. But no candidate is going to change our position with Israel. And we aren't going to send money to africa bc africa doesn't have stuff we want.

Dbate

GodfatherBob, I think that it is wrong to lessen the work that Americans do, based on the fact that they do not do physical labor. I would argue that it is harder to do mental intensive work than physical work. And if someone's number one concern is money and they work everyday then they definitely deserve that money. (Btw this is not talking about taxes, but about the last line of your post)