spiritual life/god. - Page 11

StellaNova · 06-16-2009, 08:29 PM

theslowclap's points have nothing to do with whether you're wrong or not... the point is that it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you. Do you honestly believe that you're going to convince anyone of anything by just saying "lol, you are wrong"? The only conclusion is that you're not trying to convince anyone, you just like to hear yourself talk. Maybe you understand the intricacies of this debate, but such posts don't show it. And I'm sorry, but saying you're "intellectually superior to just about everyone" is bigoted.

Take your last post for instance.

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wait, you think Adam and Eve were actual people? lol.

Maybe if you explained the reasons why Adam and Eve couldn't have existed (and there are many) some people who believed in them would actually be convinced. Or at least, they could try to offer some intelligent counter-arguments.

You say you're all for "knowledge and understanding," but your posts don't offer any. You seem no more informed than fundamentalists who stubbornly cling to their berliefs with no reason besides "I am right."

justinmeche · 06-16-2009, 08:42 PM

Of course I believe in Adam and Eve. If they were not real none of us would exist.

Age of the Earth? Science has not proven with infallible evidence the age of the earth.

I'm crazy for hearing God's voice? So I guess I am crazy when I dream at night and talk to people and go to places that are not in my bedroom. Is dreaming of things that are not real mean that you are crazy?

And God is not a perv. We were created to be attracted to the opposite sex.

Smallz3141 · 06-16-2009, 08:43 PM

I think treesuss absolutely loves to hear himself talk, why else bring up a post after a week of falling in the thread? Why else respond to nearly every post? You know, treesuss, when both sides are calling you out, maybe it's time you take a long hard look at how you're acting.

You're not making arguments, you're calling people stupid. You are a militant atheist and that's what gives athiests/agnostics a bad name. I am all for arguing the issues and the evidence, if that's what you were doing. It's not.

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wait, you think Adam and Eve were actual people? lol.

what are your thoughts on dinosaurs and the age of the earth?

God is not the voice in your head. Thats you. If you hear God's voice responding back to YOUR thoughts, then you are crazy. Fact.

I don't think it's possible to make a more juvenile post. I know you're about to give a quick response...because you love to talk. Maybe you should just crawl back in the hole you came from.

wenger402 · 06-16-2009, 08:46 PM

i like how this discussion has led astray from the OP's question

StellaNova · 06-16-2009, 08:51 PM

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Of course I believe in Adam and Eve. If they were not real none of us would exist.

Why don't you believe evolution could be real? Or, for that matter, why do you find Adam and Eve more likely than the Greek or Norse legends of the dawn of humanity?

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Age of the Earth? Science has not proven with infallible evidence the age of the earth.

Science has never proven ANYTHING with infallible evidence. Has the Bible?

justinmeche · 06-16-2009, 10:01 PM

My research has shown that Greek mythology has roots from actual Biblical events. The stories are elaborate illustrations of actual people and events in history.

Evolution? I learned about this in my science classes in school. Even in the face of science none of it made sense. I also don't see how atheist believe in evolution. Evolution is a process of change that requires something to control the process. That is unless a particular atheist believes all creation and any kind of change is nature is just a freak act that spawns from nothing.

AeroEngineer3141 · 06-16-2009, 10:14 PM

It's a freak act that spawns from energy, which is neither created nor destroyed

. Freak acts get pretty common over a long enough period of time. And nothing about evolution states that it requires a controller.

Anyway, I'm sticking with the currently accepted scientifically scrutinized theory, until a better and even more scientifically scrutinized theory comes along, in which case I will celebrate, along with the rest of the entire scientific community. Who make their theories based on scientific inquiry, and observations thought to be known.

On a side note, I am religious. I just think that God would be more proud of us if we used our differentiating capacities of curiosity and logic.

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You are a militant atheist and that's what gives athiests/agnostics a bad name.

Pshh, now you know how we feel.

StellaNova · 06-16-2009, 10:26 PM

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My research has shown that Greek mythology has roots from actual Biblical events. The stories are elaborate illustrations of actual people and events in history.

I find it more likely that the writers of the Bible were influenced by Greek mythology.

And do you believe everything in the Bible is literal truth? What do you think of the passages that contradict each other?

justinmeche · 06-17-2009, 12:38 AM

The Bible can be interpreted many ways and I believe the message has been distorted by people. Someone asked about Adam and Eve being real people. Some people believe that Adam and Eve were the actual first two humans on Earth. Other people believe that the story of Adam and Eve is only a story, but a story that symbolizes the fall of all of mankind and how we lost our spiritual connection to God was disrupted by us choosing not to listen to our spiritual teachers.

In my opinion, the Bible is both a history book and a book that summarizes God's laws. It is like a Cliff Notes for the universe. The universe and the purpose of life is very complex and books like the Bible present the truth in clear terms that our minds can understand. There are other books and web sites that get deeper into the real foundation of humans as spiritual beings and why were are here on Earth.

StellaNova · 06-17-2009, 02:08 AM

The way I see it, if parts of the Bible contradict each other, than some of the information it presents must be false. If some of it is false, how do we know which parts are true? For that matter, how do we know any of it is true? I can't understand why you'd put your faith on such an uncertain foundation.

LogicWarrior · 06-17-2009, 03:45 AM

faith is not science, science is not faith

the bible contradicts itself because it was written by dozens of different people

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I find it more likely that the writers of the Bible were influenced by Greek mythology.

then you know nothing, most of the old testament pre-dates ancient greece

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I'm crazy for hearing God's voice? So I guess I am crazy when I dream at night and talk to people and go to places that are not in my bedroom. Is dreaming of things that are not real mean that you are crazy?

you're either a troll or stupid, read this again, you just said God isn't real.

justinmeche · 06-17-2009, 09:37 AM

LogicWarrior, I didn't say God isn't real. Atheists say that when people hear God speak to them that they must be hallucinating and must be crazy. So my question was if a person dreams at night and sees and hears things that are not physically in the bedroom with them, does that mean they are crazy? People will accept dreams as being a normal part of life but can't comprehend how someone can talk to God.

Smallz3141 · 06-17-2009, 09:42 AM

^ Except that you didn't say "not physically in the bedroom", you said "Is dreaming of things that are not real mean that you are crazy?".

There is a difference.

treesuss · 06-17-2009, 10:50 AM

lol ill let you continue to my job for me...ive said all that i can say...

there's nothing mean or bigoted about being right. sorry!

Smallz3141 · 06-17-2009, 11:21 AM

Actually I want apologize to justinmeche, my last post was overly-critical of your wording. You could have easily meant or implied something different and I read it out of context.