Christians and Sexuality - Page 3

dshinka · 07-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Well some of them seem to still think you can get pregnant while on the pill lol

ginab591 · 07-04-2009, 12:06 AM

Three of my mother's four children were conceived on the pill, actually.
Some people are just more fertile.
So use the pill and condoms if you want extra protection.

lockn · 07-04-2009, 12:08 AM

Um, sorry if this is prying, why did she keep using the pill after it failed? Twice?

ginab591 · 07-04-2009, 12:32 AM

That's really more than I care to ask her.
The third time it failed came a full six years after the second though.

BodaciousG · 07-04-2009, 02:10 AM

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That's really more than I care to ask her.

LOL, I don't blame you.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with premarital sex if you are in a committed relationship (are in love) and are willing to have a child with the person you are sleeping with. If you're not willing to have a child with your partner then at least have a backup plan (i.e. termination, adoption, etc). You also need to be emotionally mature (teens are not) and must be educated about safe sex (i.e. condoms, pill, stds, etc).

I believe that illegitimate children were often born to people who could not care for them, which burdened society. In order to prevent this, those who held power instilled a fear in people telling them that having premarital sex would land them in "hell." This obviously didn't keep everyone from doing it, but it helped keep the numbers down. Illegitimates can still be a burden on society and probably do suck up a lot of our tax dollars, but in this day and age of birth control, we can worry a lot less. We still have to be vigilant, but birth control vs. no birth control is a big difference. Plus, abortions and adoption are much easier to come by than before.

I am not advocating premarital sex. I don't think teens should be having sex even if they are "ready." I think people should wait, but I don't think it will ruin your life if you have premarital relations (which means a lot of things as lightly detailed above). 90% of Americans have premarital sex (I frankly think the number is larger) and most turn out fine.

dshinka · 07-04-2009, 04:11 AM

I believe that illegitimate children were often born to people who could not care for them, which burdened society. In order to prevent this, those who held power instilled a fear in people telling them that having premarital sex would land them in "hell."

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Wow religious leaders must have been genius conspirators, if nothing else.

llpitch · 07-04-2009, 06:07 AM

Well some of them seem to still think you can get pregnant while on the pill lol

lol @ thinking you can't get pregnant while using the pill

ginab591 · 07-04-2009, 11:32 AM

Illegitamite children are no longer as much of a burden on society, so people can change with the times. When it first started being said that you couldn't have sex before marriage, there was no birth control, plus women often died during childbirth, so the chance that there would be a child left in an orphanage or whatever was much higher. Now there's birth control, abortion, and many older or gay couples who kids so are willing to adopt. If a church were being created today, I doubt they would bother mentioning sex before marriage.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 12:34 PM

Gina-I was actually being quite serious in my last couple of posts. There is no doubt that the emotional ties a sexual relationship promotes make it more difficult to clearly assess whether or not your partner is a good match. And, of course, it's much more difficult to leave such a relationship when there is an "intimate" bond. With regard to birth control, none of it is 100% effective, so I think it's immoral to risk the future of potential babies by having sex before one is in a committed (married) relationship. Yes, there is adoption and abortion, but you'd have to agree that neither of these is ideal for the babies. There was actually a time, not so long ago, when the majority of people put off sex until marriage. I can't imagine that society would be worse off if we could somehow return to that standard.

Upsilamba · 07-04-2009, 12:48 PM

tokdoc--There will be emotional ties whether or not a couple has sex. In fact, it seems like there might be more emotional ties if they don't have sex, because the relationship being based less on physical things would mean that it would be based more on emotional things.

Not that people in physical relationships can't have deep emotional ties as well, but relationships have to be tied together by something, and if physical things like sex aren't options, the only things you're left with are emotional ties.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 01:08 PM

Upsil-On what do you base your thinking regarding this subject? I work in a field where I come into direct contact with families dealing with the fallout from sex outsdie of wedlock, so I have confidence in my assertions. Plus, Dr. Laura agrees with me

BodaciousG · 07-04-2009, 01:14 PM

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Wow religious leaders must have been genius conspirators, if nothing else.

While it's obvious you're being sarcastic, I actually do think they were "genius conspirators" and still are. It's no coincidence religion is connected to fear and there's no denying the power religious cleric hold. Now, I'm not saying that is every religious leader's intent and that everyone who is religious is fearful, but there is a pattern.

P.S. If have you further comments about this, just PM me, so we don't being debating on a thread that doesn't really relate to this (i.e. the origin/purpose of religion).

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 01:15 PM

And wouldn't it be safe to assume that most "Pill" failures are the result of non-compliance with proper dosing (i.e. forgetting to take 'em from time to time)?

cdover · 07-04-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by "tokdoc

I work in a field where I come into direct contact with families dealing with the fallout from sex outsdie of wedlock, so I have confidence in my assertions. Plus, Dr. Laura agrees with me

Oh yeah, because Dr. Laura's born-in-wedlock son is perfect, what with his apparent racist tendencies, endorsements of torture and mockery of rape, suicide and child molestation.

Now, I am without doubt that Dr. Laura is a smart woman, but I don't know if she lives up to her self-titled "licensed therapist". First off, she does not have a doctorate in medicine, psychiatry or psychology. And secondly, she's not even a licensed counselor.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 02:36 PM

cdover-Dr. Laura has two Master's degrees and a PhD in physiology (from Columbia) along with post doc certification in marriage and family counseling (frm USC). She obtained her MFCC license from the State of California and had a legitimate private practice prior to her hugely popular radio show going national. Her advice for teens to abstain from sexual activity until marriage is pretty hard to fault, although some find it a tad idealistic. Why shouldn't we should for what's ideal?