Christians and Sexuality - Page 6

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 05:48 PM

Mollie, good thinking. But, isn't the only really committed relationship, marriage? And even then... if you don't choose very carefully, it can be difficult to make it a life-long endeavor. Is there anything more humiliating for a girl than to give her body to some guy only to discover it was a huge mistake?

And muscle, you just sound annoyed.

silence_kit · 07-04-2009, 05:49 PM

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Oh right, because life experience will allow me to see the light and believe the stories in some ancient book. Some brilliant people believe, sure. Brainwashed brilliant people.

And I can't really blame you, either. I was once Christian myself. I guess it just takes some of us longer than others.

come on, why start that in this thread. waiting until marriage before having sex is one of the more innocuous beliefs that christians hold

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 05:51 PM

It's okay, Silence. It's great to be able to make the case for abstinence here. I welcome all opinions-even the angry ones.

Muscle7 · 07-04-2009, 05:52 PM

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come on, why start that in this thread. waiting until marriage before having sex is one of the more innocuous beliefs that christians hold

Wrong. Christianity (among other religions) has contributed to women's reluctance to put out. That's very detrimental.

But in all seriousness, I didn't come in this thread to mock this particular belief. I just find Christians bizarre.

grapejuice · 07-04-2009, 05:55 PM

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Mollie, good thinking. But, isn't the only really committed relationship, marriage? And even then... if you don't choose very carefully, it can be difficult to make it a life-long endeavor. Is there anything more humiliating for a girl than to give her body to some guy only to discover it was a huge mistake?

Why is this discussion always framed in terms of women? Is it somehow less humiliating for a guy to give his body to a girl and discover it was a mistake?

I hate this idea of sex/virginity as a "gift" that can be taken. If I have sex with a guy, maybe I've rented him space for some time, but when we're done, I still own me. I still have me. I definitely did not give my entire self away to "some guy."

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 05:56 PM

But why does it make you angry? The hostile posts here are not from those advocating morality or Christian beliefs. Could there really be anything so infuriating about encouraging kids to wait until marriage to have sex? Muscle, surely there will be plenty of girls who don't listen to folks like me to keep you company.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 05:58 PM

Grape-Good point! I'd tell my son the same thing, basically. Although, it's the women who get pregnant while many of the men (boys) walk away. So, the stakes are higher for girls. I know the left would have us believe that there are no innate differences between the sexes, but that's obviously no so.

silence_kit · 07-04-2009, 06:00 PM

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But why does it make you angry? The hostile posts here are not from those advocating morality or Christian beliefs. Could there really be anything so infuriating about encouraging kids to wait until marriage to have sex? Muscle, surely there will be plenty of girls who don't listen to folks like me to keep you company.

She is saying that the notion is patronizing--it insinuates that women aren't really in charge of themselves. I agree.

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I know the left would have us believe that there are no innate differences between the sexes, but that's obviously no so.

come on . . .

Alix2012 · 07-04-2009, 06:02 PM

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You can only give your body, for the first time, once. Sex within the context of marriage is meant to be an elevated, sacrosanct experience, where the two become one flesh. Once the act becomes something common, it's no longer special, a gift from God shared only between you and your husband.

It used to be kissing before marriage was a huge deal, if you kissed before marriage you were a slut - now Christians have decided kissing is ok and no longer "special"; it depends entirely on your culture and age. Many religious Muslims think of Christians as dirty, sexual sluts for allowing their children to kiss and date. And why is it inappropriate for people in love to be emotionally attached? As you keep repeating, sex causes an attachment between two people, and that's a good thing. I wouldn't want my fiancee to be like just another friend who I kiss and hug but refuse to share a bed with.

You have a good point if you're saying sleeping around = dangerous, but if two people are in a committed relationship, practicing safe sex with birth control/condoms used correctly, what is the harm in them having sex? I agree with GrapeJuice that this sounds so patronizing - girls are told from a young age that our virginity is our "ultimate gift", as if our value is contained in our vagina and we can "give ourselves away" by having sex. When a woman has sex, she is not "giving herself away" like she's an object that can be bought. When you have sex, that doesn't bond you to the person for eternity.

I wish Christians would teach their children more than just "abstinence" - if you look at the top 10 states with highest teen pregnancy rate, they're mostly Southern "Bible Belt" states where sex ed in homes is lacking. Bristol Palin said in an interview she was taught abstinence at home and not really about contraceptives/birth control, and this mentality is common in pregnant teens. Instead of sex ed, Daddy buys little Betsy-Ann a "promise ring" so she'll keep her knees shut, and next thing ya know, little Betsy's preggers.

Muscle7 · 07-04-2009, 06:03 PM

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But why does it make you angry? The hostile posts here are not from those advocating morality or Christian beliefs. Could there really be anything so infuriating about encouraging kids to wait until marriage to have sex? Muscle, surely there will be plenty of girls who don't listen to folks like me to keep you company.

I'm not angry. I'm just trying to get you guys riled up.

silence_kit · 07-04-2009, 06:06 PM

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But in all seriousness, I didn't come in this thread to mock this particular belief. I just find Christians bizarre.

start a new thread. "i'm atheist and like 10x superior to everyone else" i'm sure it will be a hit.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 06:07 PM

Ah Muscle...just a troll

Anyway, we've about exhausted this one I think. You guys all have to decide for yourselves as you you go off to college etc. Some lessons have to be learned the hard way, but it's certainly a shame that's so.

bluebubbles · 07-04-2009, 06:10 PM

I'm an atheist, I'm gay, and I'm probably one of the most liberal people you will ever meet but I see nothing wrong with this. If both parties (man and wife) are in accordance, why not wait until marriage? It's such a sacrifice, shows true commitment for one another, and if you make it work, can strengthen your relationship.

I would never, ever do it (because I just can't wait very long haha) but I don't see why this is such a big deal.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 06:11 PM

Alix-The best sex education includes info on all related topics, with the emphasis on the fact that the only sure way to avoid pregnancies, STDs and emotional trauma is abstinence. And what kid isn't exposed to condom use, Levitra commercials, birth control pills, and every other thing regarding sex by virtue of tv, movies, news, etc.? It's really a straw man-kids are aware of birth control and how it's used. They aren't as aware that it's okay not to give in to peer pressure.

tokdoc · 07-04-2009, 06:13 PM

Blue-Great Post!