How to avoid required immunization shots - Page 5

Vanagandr · 08-01-2010, 09:24 PM

You will have a point when they make vaccines safe, instead of hiding under a clause in the 2005 defence appropriations bill which indemnifies them from litigation. In the meantime, cry me a freakin' river.

justtotalk · 08-01-2010, 09:24 PM

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Everyone seems to think I live like the Boy-in-the-Bubble! LOL. Actually, to be quite frank, I live a very active lifestyle. Just because I choose not to use a lot of synthetic products doesn’t mean I’m some scared, paranoid freak cowering away in the corner because I’m too scared to decide whether or not the next thing will kill me, quite the contrary. I hike, eat berries from outside WITH DIRT :0 , kayak, mountain climb….

I feel quite liberated since I’ve adjusted my lifestyle, and, it’s a lot cheaper too. I wash my cloths with vinegar and baking soda (waaay cheaper than detergent and bleach), use a crystal rock for deodorant (which will last me a year or more) and use vegetable based glycerin soap.

I’ve read a narrative similar along the lines of: “Well, there are a lot of elderly people who use these products and they’re fine” or, “what about elderly people in third world countries?” Yeah, but what about their quality of life? I remember I used to work at a bank in a bad neighborhood and I would be shocked by some the people I would see who were between 50 and 60. Many of them looked like they were pushing 70 or, even 80, due in part to malnutrition, smoking, poor living conditions, alcohol, etc. I am not trying to outrun death; I am only trying to have a higher quality of life. There are many elderly people who are confined to rocking chairs, nursing homes, bingo halls and knitting. Then there are some 90-year-olds and even 100-year-olds who, go jogging several times a week, exercise and still have a high quality of life. And…still have active and healthy sex lives. *gasp*

All I’m saying is this: making small lifestyle adjustments doesn’t mean you have to be miserable. I have the occasional beer or wine here and there. And if I go out with friends I will eat at a greasy spoon; however, the amount of “stuff” I put in or on my body is disproportionately nontoxic/organic.

This is a really health approach to living, and it's rather inspiring.

However, given what we currently know in immunology and biochem, your lifestyle is perfectly congruent with vaccination. You are simply hypothesizing that, somewhere down the road, we'll learn that vaccines damage our long term health.

You're right--this may eventually happen. But you live by what you know. What we know is that meningitis (sometimes) kills, and that vaccines don't. To live according to hypothetical future risks is not to really live at all.

As others have said, you owe this to your college community, if not yourself.

dzdzdzdz93 · 08-01-2010, 09:27 PM

This thread is riddled with exceptionalism and delusions of grandeur. Don't make this discussion into a debate about ethics: They usually become personal, and they never end well

Babytitain all ready decided to get the shots. Continuing to argue about a resolved issue is pointless.

silence_kit · 08-01-2010, 09:32 PM

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You will have a point when they make vaccines safe, instead of hiding under a clause in the 2005 defence appropriations bill which indemnifies them from litigation. In the meantime, cry me a freakin' river.

How are vaccines unsafe?

heampopy · 08-01-2010, 09:42 PM

@dzdzdzdz93 - I think the discussion has now devolved into Vanagandr (Clearly a Fox News contributor) vs Science.

dzdzdzdz93 · 08-01-2010, 09:53 PM

Yeah, it has, but it only takes one inflammatory comment to start arguments and ad homs.

Coolbrezze · 08-01-2010, 10:11 PM

I have reviewed the thread and many good points were made. Like others I also stay away from harsh products as it drives my allergies up the wall.
To the aluminum comment base off my own research aluminum in deodorant is not good for you.
I understand the Open as I am also not crazy about getting vaccinated every time a new vaccine goes on stock due to stories etc... though you did cite it is required by your school meaning hardly a way out. Take your required shot forum to get vaccinated and like me you may find out that you have already taken your required shots. I didn't expect it and chances are you may have all of yours.

AuroraInLaLaLand · 08-01-2010, 10:17 PM

I just say that it is against my beliefs (because my parents are against me getting anymore of them due to certain evenst in our lives); outbreaks rarely occur and if they do you wont be gone forever, just until all those infected are quarantined or take sick leave from campus. I have all the basic ones, and frankly that's enough. So many people act like if your not vaccinated with every single thing that comes out that you are a contamination to mankind or something. For every person that has received negative effects from NOT taking a vaccine, there is another one who has gotten negative effects FOR receiving a vaccine. My brother and I frankly only live a semi-healthy, average teenage lifestyle and have never contracted some of the illnesses (eg. swine flu, mono, etc) that are friends with the vaccine have gotten. My mom (an RN) says that once you have the basic ones any more vaccines are superfluous and can potentially do you harm; sort of like getting that cervical cancer vaccine when your family has never had a history of it and when a small percentage of girls have reported harmful after effects. Just my two cents.

Vanagandr · 08-01-2010, 10:21 PM

silence_kit - google 'Thimerosal'

Johnson181 · 08-01-2010, 11:23 PM

vanagandr- if you actually read this thread, you'd notice that I mentioned thimerosal.

Of the vaccines most likely required by the school, not one of them contains thimerosal anymore.

So how about YOU google it?

Johnson181 · 08-01-2010, 11:28 PM

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For every person that has received negative effects from NOT taking a vaccine, there is another one who has gotten negative effects FOR receiving a vaccine.

Actually, no. It's very much skewed in that the people affected FOR receiving the vaccine are much, much, less than those receiving it (in the case of basic vaccines).

Re the HPV vaccine: yes, there have been reported cases of deaths. But that doesn't mean the vaccine had anything to do with it. All events (such as death) that occur shortly following receiving a vaccine are reported to the FDA.

But I do agree with you- past the basic ones, it seems ridiculous to pump your body with chemicals. I myself have gotten the HPV vaccine, but I would never suggest it as mandatory (like I would with something like, say, mmr).

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average teenage lifestyle and have never contracted some of the illnesses (eg. swine flu, mono, etc) that are friends with the vaccine have gotten

There's a vaccine for mono? I was unaware of that.
And a google search turned up nothing.

Edit:: I looked it up, less than .06% of people have an "adverse reaction" to gardasil, the HPV vaccine. And 93% of that .06% were non-serious. As for the 'serious' complications? As I mentioned above, not all of them are necessarily caused by the vaccine. They're just reported according to the law.
Yeah, it would suck if you were one of the very few people who have an issue. But the chances of that happening are so unbelievably slim. Especially considering there's a stat out there that says 25% of women will contract hpv during their lifetime (and yes, I know gardasil does not prevent against every type of hpv).

collegebound1717 · 08-02-2010, 07:48 AM

I really do not know what is with people who refuse to get vaccines. Even the minor side effects are surprisingly rare, and the actually serious side effects are 1 in a million if not less. Remember, the viruses in the vaccine are dead and it is usual only their proteins (in other words none of the viral DNA).
By choosing to not get a vaccine you are endangering yourself and those around you. If the risk of taking the vaccine was greater than getting the virus, then doctors would not give out that vaccine. Heard of the Hippocratic Oath?

I, frankly, do not like the 'do not want to put stuff in my body' excuse because most of the vaccines in question just aren't harmful. That excuse seems to verge on paranoia.

hespork · 11-09-2012, 08:12 PM

I notice this post is kind of old, but I am in the same boat. I really try to avoid GMO's, Flouride, Pesticides, and other things. This whole shot thing wigs me out. I have a good friend whose younger brother got a shot at age six and his eyes crossed- seriously. So, I am totally against getting any vaccines, whatsoever. What did you do to dodge it, if you did?

ucbalumnus · 11-10-2012, 01:27 AM

You can vaccinate yourself "naturally" by getting the genuine disease (measles, polio, etc.). But that will be quite unpleasant, and carries a risk of death far greater than modern vaccines do. This technique was done with smallpox before it was discovered that cowpox vaccinates against smallpox.

Smallpox: Variolation

As far as fluoride goes, note that many water supplies have naturally occurring fluoride.

romanigypsyeyes · 11-10-2012, 02:41 PM

I know this is old, but I highly encourage anyone who is against immunizations to watch Outbreak: Anatomy of a Plague. It's on Netflix and I'm sure can be found elsewhere.

When I was an intern for a senator, we had a lady who would call us up every.single.day. and complain about the Fluoride in the water. "THEY'RE POISING OUR CHILDREN WITH THE FLUORIDE!" When we passed anti-bullying legislation, she called us to scream about how no one actually gets hurt from bullying

but that thousands die every year from the FLUORIDE. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!