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Old 11-10-2005, 03:18 PM   #31
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One of the biggest misconceptions is that only Orthodox Jews can be observant and active. The terms Orthodox and Observant are not synonomous.
Indeed. My point exactly. I also don't think you need to be observant (btw whose version of observant are we talking about and how observant do you have to be to be considered observant) to be a good Jew and a good member of the Jewish community.
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:30 PM   #32
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"btw whose version of observant are we talking about and how observant do you have to be to be considered observant"

Personally - I think observance is probably more of a continuum than a yes or no type of thing - (And however observant you may think someone is, I'm willing to bet that THEY know someone who they think is even more observant!) But I also think it is true that the more you observe yourself, the more you will want from your college community to support that observance - however you define your observance.

Perhaps one of the greatest things a prospective college student can look for is a campus on which diversity of a range of observances within the Jewish population is tolerated.
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Old 03-09-2007, 06:49 PM   #33
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hmm, can anyone vouch for the jewish life at union college? i saw it said 20 percent, but how many are orthodox? i am modern orthodox and was wondering if it would be difficult there. i dont think there is chabbad on or near the campus, but i know there is a hillel. does anyone here know more?
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Old 03-15-2007, 01:40 PM   #34
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Gw

I go to GW and personally 19% is a major underestimation. I'd say more like 40% plus.
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Old 03-15-2007, 02:19 PM   #35
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You may have an association bias there espresso. Do you know everyone at GW?
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:31 PM   #36
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I agree strongly that the stats are a starting point only for conversing with Hillel leadership about Jewish life.

For "vibrant Jewish life" also look for the academic courses offered. Check the course catalogue under several different departments, starting with "Religion" "Near East Studies" and "Jewish Studies." There might be relevant courses in the History department where the entire course is devoted to the Holocaust, "Golden Age of Spain" etc. See if the courses are taught by the college's own professors or adjunct instructors; figure the college professors are more available to students with office hours, etc.

See if worship services are offered; student-led or clergy-led; and in what denomination (Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Orthodox). Would you consider trying a different movement than one you grew up in? Is there an exchange among nearby campuses to get services more to your liking?

Look in the Student Services section for a "Chaplain" because that might be where the campus rabbi is mentioned. Sometimes Hillel employs a rabbi, who might serve only that campus or several. A college might "have a Hillel" but its students might always be the ones to travel to a bigger Hillel at a different college or uni nearby. That can be interesting, or inconvenient, depending on how you perceive things.

My eldest, who needed financial aid, found much better salary by teaching Religious School at a nearby synagogue and worked there for his "work-study" job. He earned triple the campus rate-of-pay and got a teaching skill that helped him upon graduation as well (NYC actor's day job, no waiting tables

Keep in mind that those percentages are indicative of some but not all of the campus spirit. A student can list him/herself as Jewish but do nothing on campus to identify or contribute, making it "seem" as though there are fewer Jewish students. In big cities, Jewish affiliation rates (joining synagogues) are at 50% of the Jewish population, with higher rates in smaller towns! (need to join to find each other; not so in big metropolitan areas).

I'm thinking that on a campus, you have many students away from homes, families and communities that provided (spoon-fed?) them Jewish opportunities. On campus they have to choose to do this themselves. Some long to get away from it so do 'nothing" on campus except go home for major holidays. Early adult years have the least rates of involvement with religious institutions. Students get back to it when they go to work or begin families. Still you can find Jewish students around you. It's something to think about, how you'll find your own way to express yourself, once away from home.

That said, it's very important, if you care, to see if there is a Hillel organization and how they're doing. Of course the leadership will always paint the best picture to prospective students, hoping for replenishing the leadership! One Hillel leader might say, "If you see an activity that isn't here, you can step up to the plate and start it." which is a whole different message than, "We already have 3 programs that address that.." and there are merits to each.

That said, if you care a lot or even a little, consider that "studies have shown" (unfortunately I can't remember my source on this one, but trust me...) that there are two "tipping points," regardless of total numbers. Under 10% causes kids to feel absolutely alone; the 10% neighborhood feels mighty "thin" if you care about meeting and doing Jewish things; and at 20% you'll feel a vibrant Jewish presence with plenty of other students. At around 20%, you'll feel there are "always more new Jewish kids to meet," instead of "same-o, same-o."

Good luck and it's great to know students include this important criterion in their search.

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Old 08-09-2008, 05:40 PM   #37
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I find it prett interesting that Yale is almost 40% Jewish, yet Princeton is only 12%. HUGE difference, wonder why.
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Old 08-09-2008, 05:54 PM   #38
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I also find it pretty interesting that Dartmouth didn't even make it to the list... this means that less than 10% of students at D are Jews.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:05 PM   #39
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Dartmouth is a little more than 10% Jewish.

Dartmouth College
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:19 PM   #40
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Those numbers are off. Yet Princeton is known as a very gentile, waspy and preppy institution historically and as a result many jewish students probably do not even apply. Dartmouth has a similar feel in that its like the good old boys club. From what I heard Yale is around 30% jewish, but like Penn, Harvard, Emory, Wash U...it historically has attracted a lot of applicants. I would say that perception has a lot to do with it. On a final note, my friend from emory recently told me that is has around 34% jewish student body, so the numbers aren't completely correct.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:22 PM   #41
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Those numbers are off. Yet Princeton is known as a very gentile, waspy and preppy institution historically and as a result many jewish students probably do not even apply. Dartmouth has a similar feel in that its like the good old boys club.
Way to stereotype...

Many institutions change over time and are not what they used to be.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:34 PM   #42
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Almost all the Ivies, Northeast LACs and elite universities like Wesleyan, Northwestern and West Coast schools like UCLA have large Jewish student population.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:48 PM   #43
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Here's a breakdown of schools with the highest percentage of Jewish students...

http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/Item...ation=ShowItem
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:09 PM   #44
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^ interesting list.
I was surprised to see the 30% number for Reed.
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Old 08-10-2008, 11:35 AM   #45
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I find it highly unbelievable that Yeshiva is 69% Jewish if you're not taking into consideration their med and law schools. Every Yeshiva student must take classes in Hebrew and Torah; many if not most spend a year in Israel.

Yeshiva isn't like some other colleges with religious affiliations, where you can feel comfortable even if you're not affiliated with the school's religion. Yeshiva undergrad is for Jews. . . mostly orthodox (modern or otherwise).
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