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09-07-2011, 06:23 PM
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Texas is a public and recruited by all three firms. Shouldn't they be classified as "NATIONAL" because interviews are held in their career center by the OP's logic? Quote: |
What College Confidential conclusions can be drawn from the current recruiting patterns of these 3 firms?
| I say a campus's proximity to a local office of the firm.
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09-07-2011, 06:26 PM
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Spot on analysis UCB. :-)
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09-07-2011, 06:32 PM
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ahhh. If you mean targets, then yes, your list is probably correct. Informal recruiting takes place, however.
I know for Tufts, it's more of a hotbed for Investment Banking and Asset Management. People have gotten into top consulting but it's not a target for consulting. Investment Banking/Asset Management? Definitely a target from top firms.
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09-07-2011, 10:13 PM
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Let's not kid ourselves. No one cares about the west coast offices. It's just a concession for west coast universities to make us west coast alumni feel a little better.
No way a student at Duke would want to work in San Francisco if he could work at New York.
| Really? Maybe you should tell that to many Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale and Columbia grads who are now stationed in West Coast offices. LOL
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09-07-2011, 10:16 PM
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NATIONAL=students are considered for offices nationwide without geographical limitations
REGIONAL=students are often limited to nearby offices to fill a geographical quota and aren't considered for offices elsewhere (i.e. Michigan in New York or UCLA in Atlanta for the Big 3)
| So, Berkeley grads are limited to California offices? Then would you care to explain to us why there were Berkeley grads in NY, London, HK, Singapore, China and Tokyo? I don't understand that part. Quote: |
Your friends are lying to you so maybe you need to get new friends? I would be shocked if Berkeley sent 5 to McKinsey total each year let alone 5 to the New York office, which is probably the most sought after specific business position in the world outside of entering the PE/VC realm right out of undergrad.
| I can supply names through PM for certain conditions, if you're willing.
We can do this through PM if you're interested.
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09-07-2011, 10:38 PM
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As you can see, the University of Chicago link on the McKinsey Campus Dropdown Box leads us to a generic recruiting page which asks all students of universities at non target schools to apply by a firm deadline as is the case for other non targets like the University of Minnesota and Southern Methodist University. Universities that are targets like Penn and Dartmouth and whatever have school-specific deadlines along with a firm wide presentation on campus where interested applicants can meet with school alums working at the company.
| Chicago, Minnesota and SMU are also target schools. Maybe there are more Penn and Dartmouth getting hired eventually, but that's not because Penn and Dartmouth are "more targets" but because there are more Penn and Dartmouth grads who qualify or more fit for the position. All the schools listed on McKinsey are target schools -- I asked a friend about this. HYSPM+Penn&Dartmouth send more because they usually have more applicants that the company thinks are "more fitted" for the job.
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09-07-2011, 10:43 PM
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All three firms recruit at Claremont McKenna.
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09-08-2011, 04:57 AM
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Maybe there are more Penn and Dartmouth getting hired eventually, ...
| Yes, maybe. Recruiting ^= considering ^= hiring.
Does anyone have data on the actual number of hires? Quote: |
... but that's not because Penn and Dartmouth are "more targets" but because there are more Penn and Dartmouth grads who qualify or more fit for the position.
| Or maybe more Penn and Dartmouth students are following through with resumes. Unless you know the ratio of hires to applicants, this is all rather speculative. Even then, you don't know if firm X is drumming up equal interest from the most qualified students available at School A and School B. And even if you did, it would be hard to tease out treatment effects from selection effects attributable to each college that yields successful applicants.
William & Mary ranked 3rd for Peace Corps volunteers in 2009. Georgetown ranked 6th, Chicago 9th, Cornell 12th, Tufts 14th. Yale ranked 33rd, Stanford 51st, Harvard 72nd, MIT 172nd, Princeton 236th. Maybe there's a correlation with career preferences, maybe not. There are lots of variables in play here.
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09-08-2011, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBChemEGrad Texas is a public and recruited by all three firms. Shouldn't they be classified as "NATIONAL" because interviews are held in their career center by the OP's logic? | Well if you look at the contact email on BCG's Events page for UT-Austin, it says "texasrecruiting@bcg.com" which implies that the firm's hiring at the school is regional and they are trying to find applicants who are a good fit for the Houston/Dallas offices. I've never heard of a UT grad break into a non-Texas office at MBB before. BCG - BCG at University of Texas: Undergraduate and Non-Business Masters
For comparison, look at how extensive the recruiting calendar is for BCG at Duke. They have multiple information sessions and speak to like 5 student-led business organizations on campus in addition to resume drops and interviews directly in the Career Center. This is how you know that the school is a very strong national target for BCG. BCG - BCG at Duke University
They even have an LGBT-specific networking session at a restaurant. Quote: |
Originally Posted by RML Chicago, Minnesota and SMU are also target schools. | Yeah, no they're not haha. Quote: |
Originally Posted by RML Maybe there are more Penn and Dartmouth getting hired eventually, but that's not because Penn and Dartmouth are "more targets" but because there are more Penn and Dartmouth grads who qualify or more fit for the position. All the schools listed on McKinsey are target schools -- I asked a friend about this. HYSPM+Penn&Dartmouth send more because they usually have more applicants that the company thinks are "more fitted" for the job. | In addition to being a better fit for the job, Dartmouth and Penn have scores of prominent alumni in these organizations and have a reputation for having very strong student bodies with great analytical abilities. Minnesota and SMU, not so much. Quote: |
Originally Posted by RML So, Berkeley grads are limited to California offices? Then would you care to explain to us why there were Berkeley grads in NY, London, HK, Singapore, China and Tokyo? I don't understand that part. | They probably got their MBA from Haas which is a very strong national target at the professional level. Quote: |
Originally Posted by RML Really? Maybe you should tell that to many Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale and Columbia grads who are now stationed in West Coast offices. LOL | What's your point?
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09-08-2011, 10:29 AM
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Ultimately, what is relevant is where these school HIRE from. I know that McKinsey and BCG both hire tons of Williams grads (in fact, two of my good friends -- neither of whom had insanely high GPA's -- got jobs at McKinsey out of college, and one each at BCG and Bain, granted, this was some time ago, but I've certainly heard of plenty of Williams grads getting job offers from all of these places over the years). It may not always be practical / cost-effective to schedule an on-campus session at a small, relatively out of the way place like Williams or Amherst (although some years all of these places certainly have), but your odds of landing at top-flight consulting gig out of college from those two are as good as virtually anywhere (Harvard is probably the easiest, but Williams/Amherst will certainly better position you than a few schools where they may do interviews).
See, e.g.,: Business Analyst Consultant's Profile | Bachelor's Degree Williams College | New York | McKinsey Careers Partner Consultant's Profile | Bachelor's Degree Williams College | Washington, D.C. | McKinsey Careers |
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06-12-2012, 08:47 PM
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| Duke Major for consulting
Does anyone know what to major in at Duke to have the best shot at obtaining a job as an investment banker? Trinity or Pratt? If Trinity, what major at Trinity, and if Pratt, what major at Pratt?
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06-13-2012, 04:59 PM
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I know all 3 firms have co-op placements and hire kids after graduation at Northeastern. McKinsey and Bain hire for significantly more than their Boston office.
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06-13-2012, 07:50 PM
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Painstakingly researched, painfully accurate data that should be stickied in the "Internships, Careers, and Employment" sub-forum.
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06-14-2012, 02:11 PM
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OP,
So the chicago offices must have extremely high turnover so they need to interview northwestern, uchicago, michigan on different days just to fill the staffing need of that single office (assuming none of them even goes to other schools to recruit). LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course schools like Duke, Brown, and Dartmouth are "national" cos there's no office closeby. You expect college kids to fly for first-round interview? Or you expect those firms to run around with trailer offices? LOL!
Given how big a feeder Kellogg is for those top-3 management firms (probably second only to Harvard), do you really expect Northwestern ug is recruited only for Chicago office?
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06-14-2012, 02:39 PM
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^ Mildcats, Sam... Mildcats.
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