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Princeton, Stanford slipping; Harvard, Yale, Columbia rise to ever-greater prominence

monk414monk414 Posts: 8. New Member
edited January 2012 in College Search & Selection
What's up with Princeton and Stanford? Princeton is slipping in popularity with its yield not even placing it in the top 10 of American universities: 1. Harvard University: 10 Most Popular National Universities - US News & World Report

Stanford is amazing and its sports are great for a top school. However, I noticed it receives a lot more hail mary apps now from people who somehow think Stanford they will be that "unique" applicant that Stanford lets in (which it apparently does every year with 1700 SATs getting in). Stanford has thus been pegged as being a land for "unique" students, but this has unfortunately taken on to mean "unique" but not quite exceptional enough for HYP (whose students are both unique AND exceptional).

Yes, people who value unique students with less OK stats will go to Stanford and those who don't like that should maybe go elsewhere, but in sending this message, Stanford is losing its prestige FAST. Or maybe it doesn't matter to them that HYP will always surpass them? Anyway, I care because I want to attend Stanford and don't want it to constantly be seen as being behind HYP. Columbia is now Stanford's equal here on the East Coast, for example, and the rankings only further cement this perception.

Cornell is also slipping in prestige. The Chinese who used to consider it prestigious are now dismayed by its lackluster performance in rankings (and you know how much they care about rankings). People here on the East Coast constantly make fun of its "state" schools and hotel school. What the heck? People now with marginal stats from my school are applying. Ugh. Duke is now seen as far superior to Cornell for example.
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Replies to: Princeton, Stanford slipping; Harvard, Yale, Columbia rise to ever-greater prominence

  • suzy100suzy100 Posts: 1,509Registered User Senior Member
    Don't apply to Stanford - problem solved.
  • barronsbarrons Posts: 23,391Registered User Senior Member
    Amazing how many clueless allegedly smart people continue to exist.
  • sovereigndebtsovereigndebt Posts: 989Registered User Member
    Its just blathering by the superficial elites and wannabes. Ignore them. Not even worth a response. :-)
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Posts: 8,662Registered User Senior Member
    "Duke is now seen as far superior to Cornell for example."

    Here we go again. The next thread will be how Duke has "caught up" with Stanford and is challenging HY and Columbia for supremacy.
  • gazoz918gazoz918 Posts: 241Registered User Junior Member
    Dude. They're just rankings. Stop being so prestige-whorish.
  • goldenboy8784goldenboy8784 Posts: 1,698Registered User Senior Member
    Please never post again. I just lost 30 seconds of my life in the hopes that I was going to actually find a well-researched argument.
  • monk414monk414 Posts: 8. New Member
    Perceptions may not be rational (obviously they're based on SUBJECTIVE experiences) but they are nevertheless real :)
  • placido240placido240 Posts: 636- Member
    It is well known that Stanford puts its thumb on the scale for the quirky student. I have had conversations with basically just ok academically peers who got in and wondered how they did it until they read me their roommate essay, or five words to describe you, etc. and in all cases they were truly weird and (for that) memorable. If you are a normal kid and want to increase your chances, dial up your strange answer quotient and startle the bored Stanford adcoms who get a bit tired of admitting football recruits imposed on them.
  • setaseta Posts: 93Registered User Junior Member
    @monk414, of course the rankings are real:

    THES
    Top 400 - The Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2011-2012
    Stanford = Harvard > YP

    ARWU
    Academic Ranking of World Universities | ARWU | First World University Ranking | Shanghai Ranking
    Harvard > Stanford > Princeton, and sorry I could not find Yale in top 10.....

    And in terms of prestige globally, both THES & ARWU are superior to USNEWS.

    @goldenboy8784, I echo you.
    Now I know why silicon valley can ONLY survive on the west coast in US. And I really surprised and dissapointed by the reasoning ablility of some US students, like the author of the article. If test score == exception, trust me, none of the US universities can even break into the top 50 in the world.

    Also, in my HS, the kids with the highest SAT socre went to HYP, but the REAL legendary students turned down the offers from HYP and attended Stanford, MIT, Berkerly, Duke....
  • SoaroneaglesSoaroneagles Posts: 48Registered User Junior Member
    @goldenboy8784 comments like yours should have a like button installed underneath it.
  • monk414monk414 Posts: 8. New Member
    Seta, I love Stanford...I do, but I don't think Stanford students would approve of your defensive attitude about the school.

    Haters gonna hate...on Harvard and Yale as usual :P

    Prestige is subjective, you guys. No amount of rigorous argumentation will even come close to undermining HYP's prestige...get over it :)
  • barronsbarrons Posts: 23,391Registered User Senior Member
    And your posts are certainly prestige free.
  • KudryavkaKudryavka Posts: 865Registered User Member
    I'm not sure why people try to draw such a meaningless distinction. Does anyone really think the education offered at Harvard is that much better than at Yale or Stanford?
  • setaseta Posts: 93Registered User Junior Member
    @monk414, hahah, I know you will act like this. Thank you very much, otherwise, I don't know how to continue this game. lol

    Remmber, I am not the one who claim X is better than Y or Z. You did. I just simply followed YOUR logic and end up with totally different results. So I got confused... Please enlight me, okay?

    The haters are created by you, not others on CC. Of course Stanford students would not approve of my defensive attitude about the school, and please show us your perfectly organized argument with solid and authoritative data to prove that HY students are indeed superior to those at Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Berkerly, Michigan, Duke....... Just please don't bring up any rankings or SAT socres, and please don't let CCer down again....
  • KaChowKaChow Posts: 181Registered User Junior Member
    I do not understand the OPs points about Stanford. At least as they pertain to what the OP posted. Stanford was ranked second behind Harvard in yield (not counting religious schools). What about that suggests that Stanford is slipping?
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