Welcome to College Confidential!

The leading college-bound community on the web

Sign Up For Free

Join for FREE, and start talking with other members, weighing in on community polls, and more.

Also, by registering and logging in you'll see fewer ads and pesky welcome messages (like this one!)

As a CC member, you can:

2012 New York Times Global Employability Ranking of American Universities

goldenboy8784goldenboy8784 Posts: 1,698Registered User Senior Member
edited November 2012 in College Search & Selection
Source: Emerging and Trendence
Global Companies Rank Universities - NYTimes.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/asia/asian-schools-jump-in-rank.html

Methodology: Between May 18 and June 7 of 2012, more than 2,500 recruiters and 2,200 international chief executives and business managers were asked to select their top universities. The countries represented were Australia, Brazil, Britain, China, Germany, France, Italy, India, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Netherlands, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United States.

Ranking of all U.S. Universities

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Stanford
4. MIT
5. Columbia
6. Princeton
7. Boston University
8. CalTech
9. UChicago
10. Brown
11. Berkeley
12. Duke
13. NYU
14. UPenn
15. Dartmouth
16. UCLA
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Northwestern
19. Georgetown
20. University of Southern California
21. Carnegie Mellon
22. Boston College
23. Cornell
24. UNC Chapel Hill
25. University of Virginia
26. Michigan State
27. Arizona State
28. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
29. Purdue
30. Washington University in St. Louis
31. Texas A&M
32. BYU
33. Univ. of Washington
34. Brandeis
35. Case Western
36. Ohio State
37. UCSF
38. UT Austin
39. Arizona
40. Wisconsin
41. Emory
42. Rice
43. Univ. of South Carolina
44. Vanderbilt
45. Univ. of Florida
46. Rutgers
47. Univ. of Illinois
48. Univ. of Maryland
49. Univ. of Notre Dame
50. Univ. of Minnesota
51. Univ. of Pittsburgh

For all you public school lovers, you will be overjoyed with this ranking. It shows that beyond the top 15 or so private schools, your local state flagship may be viewed just as highly if not more highly than the next tier of private schools like Emory, Rice, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, etc.
Post edited by goldenboy8784 on
«1

Replies to: 2012 New York Times Global Employability Ranking of American Universities

  • cherokeejewcherokeejew Posts: 402Registered User Member
    Surprisingly similar to the US News ankings except that some people confuse the word "Boston" with Harvard.
  • beyphybeyphy Posts: 2,081Registered User Senior Member
    Wow, Boston University...

    I think American universities generally fared less well than last year overall.
    Just outside the top 10 is Peking University, which leapt to No. 11 from No. 109 in just one year.

    nice methodology?
  • Sparkeye7Sparkeye7 Posts: 2,408Registered User Senior Member
    26. Michigan State

    28. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor

    Once again, Michigan State (MSU) over Michigan!! :p

    Ohio State #36, I can live with that, too! Go Bucks!! :)
  • tk21769tk21769 Posts: 7,117Registered User Senior Member
    I suspect this ranking for the most part simply telegraphs the USNWR rankings, with a little added bias for big public universities that are convenient stops on the college recruiting circuit. Why would Boston University be as high as it is? Is it doing something extra for student hiring that, say, GW or Northeastern are not? Or, did a cluster of BU boosters somehow get into the survey data?
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Posts: 8,650Registered User Senior Member
    "Ranking of all U.S. Universities

    1. Harvard
    2. Yale
    3. Stanford
    4. MIT
    5. Columbia
    6. Princeton
    7. Boston University
    8. CalTech
    9. UChicago
    10. Brown

    Look at that top 10. Notice one school that seems WAY out of place? That's all you need to know how seriously flawed this survey is.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Posts: 8,650Registered User Senior Member
    "Just outside the top 10 is Peking University, which leapt to No. 11 from No. 109 in just one year.

    nice methodology?"

    Exactly right beyphy. Someone must be stuffing the ballot box. LOL
  • RMLRML Posts: 5,719Registered User Senior Member
    Another ranking that suggests, Berkeley above some Ivies and Duke. Okay; its believable enough for me.



    lol
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Posts: 8,650Registered User Senior Member
    "Another ranking that suggests, Berkeley above some Ivies and Duke."

    That part is no surprise at all RML. Cal is ranked above Duke in almost every listing.
  • beyphybeyphy Posts: 2,081Registered User Senior Member
    Also, for comparison, here's last years:

    Education - Image - NYTimes.com

    Notice that last years survey was done with business leaders (CEOs, chairmen, etc.) while this year was done with recruiters. In the 2011 ranking, Boston University ranked 51. This might imply that while Boston University might be more heavily recruited overall, schools like UCLA and Duke have people in higher positions (e.g. executives) which is why they were rated higher by business leaders; although it might also imply (and probably does imply) that business leaders are out of touch with the universities that their companies recruit from.
  • RMLRML Posts: 5,719Registered User Senior Member
    ^^^ Maybe UCLA, but Duke grads holding high seats in the private and/or government sectors outside of the USA? That's a new.
  • goldenboy8784goldenboy8784 Posts: 1,698Registered User Senior Member
    I agree with tk21769. American universities like Boston University, NYU, and Boston College benefit because of their association with prominent American cities (included in their names) which makes them more prestigious internationally. Basically the rest of this ranking mirrors USNWR except that public schools fare better here compared to non-super elite private schools due to greater exposure and visibility (a larger alumni base).
    beyphy wrote:
    nice methodology?
    Beyphy, the reason Asian schools fare a lot better here is because Asian recruiters from South Korea, India, China, Japan, Malaysia, etc. were part of the respondents here. This is a much more global employability ranking in scope than the previous one which only polled executives in Europe and North America. That's part of the reason why Berkeley does so well-its incredible reputation in Asian countries.
    beyphy wrote:
    Notice that last years survey was done with business leaders (CEOs, chairmen, etc.) while this year was done with recruiters. In the 2011 ranking, Boston University ranked 51. This might imply that while Boston University might be more heavily recruited overall, schools like UCLA and Duke have people in higher positions (e.g. executives) which is why they were rated higher by business leaders; although it might also imply (and probably does imply) that business leaders are out of touch with the universities that their companies recruit from.
    I wouldn't nitpick so much over minor shifts (up or down) in the rankings. Both our alma maters, UCLA and Duke, do very well in both rankings and both our schools are ranked higher than Penn both times which is extremely impressive given how well represented UPenn grads are in the business world.
    Sparkeye7 wrote:
    Once again, Michigan State (MSU) over Michigan!!
    That's 2 years in a row! More telling perhaps is that both Michigan flagship schools perform better than Notre Dame, Rice, Emory, and Vanderbilt.
  • beyphybeyphy Posts: 2,081Registered User Senior Member
    Beyphy, the reason Asian schools fare a lot better here is because Asian recruiters from South Korea, India, China, Japan, Malaysia, etc. were part of the respondents here. This is a much more global employability ranking in scope than the previous one which only polled executives in Europe and North America.

    Ah, i missed that. While it potentially explains a lot, inconsistencies still remain.

    For example, although Duke's US rank only fell from 9 to 12, its ranking in relation to world universities fell from 13 to 26. UCLA sees a sharper drop, as it falls from from 11 to 45. However, this drop isn't as bad as Northwestern's. It falls from 6 to 67

    The jump in ranks, especially for schools like Northwestern and UCLA are difficult to explain. It indeterminate whether their changes in rank are the result of an influx in the countries that are polled, a change in the people that are polled, or both.

    Ultimately, though, i'm not sure how Peking University and Goethe University achieve near opposite placements within the rankings (both jump +100 spots.) I could guess as to how this happened, but it would merely be conjecture. I do think such odd placements do give us reason to suspect the integrity of the ranking however. The inconsistency is too large, and, as of yet, unexplained.
    Both our alma maters, UCLA and Duke, do very well in both rankings and both our schools are ranked higher than Penn both times which is extremely impressive given how well represented UPenn grads are in the business world.

    Actually, UCLA ranks slightly below Penn at 16 and 14, respectively, in relation to US universities.
  • muckdogs07muckdogs07 Posts: 1,166Registered User Senior Member
    Agree that the results of this survey look odd and not just due to poor BU perhaps being confused with H or MIT. The question appears to be "what universities produce the ideal young graduates", lol (in terms of breadth and vacuity). Also, what are they actually hiring for -- CS, MBA, law, eng'g, mgmt, math/science etc. Without knowing this, the survey becomes pretty meaningless. Same if the survey purports to measure hiring across all disciplines since no one candidate is looking for a job across all disciplines. The one message of some interest seems to be it is better, in general, for world employment to attend a school in a large city where multinationals are located.
  • steelergolf11steelergolf11 Posts: 142Registered User Junior Member
    I wonder what would happen if they ranked Wharton separately from Penn.
  • goldenboy8784goldenboy8784 Posts: 1,698Registered User Senior Member
    I thought about that too stellergolf11, although UPenn does pretty well anyway at #14. I'm surprised CalTech is so high-anyone met a CalTech alum in the business world?
«1
Sign In or Register to comment.