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Interesting Ivy League Ranking

Penn95Penn95 Registered User Posts: 1,563 Senior Member
Here is an interesting ranking of the ivies that I stumbled upon.

The author looked at USNews, Forbes and Niche rankings and averaged out the positions of each ivy. He reasoned his choice of rankings as follows: USNews focuses on reputation & inputs, Forbes focuses on outcomes, Niche focuses on quality of student life.

The ranking was he following (average rank in parentheses)

1. Princeton University (2.5)
2. Harvard University (3)
3. Yale University (3.75)
4. University of Pennsylvania (8.75)
5. Columbia University (9.5)
6. Brown University (11.5)
7. Dartmouth College (13)
8. Cornell University (22)

He also broke the ivies into tiers and included what are the ivy-equivalents, in his opinion, for each tier:

Tier 1: HYPSM

Tier 2: Penn, Columbia, Brown, Chicago, Duke, Caltech

Tier 3: Dartmouth, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Northwestern
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Replies to: Interesting Ivy League Ranking

  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    Hmm.

    He doesn't have the numbers for non-Ivies, though.

    Or LACs.
  • Penn95Penn95 Registered User Posts: 1,563 Senior Member
    Yeah for the non-ivies it would be easy to compute, but for the LACs it would be harder since USnews ranking is different .

  • ANormalSeniorGuyANormalSeniorGuy Registered User Posts: 265 Junior Member
    The ranking is interesting, but I dont think this method works for outside of the Ivy leagues. All three lists consider Ivies as highly ranked, and so averaging a rank works. UChicago, for example, is ranked 3 on USN where as on niche I believe it is ranked 20.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    I slightly disagree with his tiers.
    HYP are in the range of 2.5-3.75 in average ranking.
    All the other Ivies besides Cornell are in the range of 8.75-13 in average ranking.
    Cornell is at 22 average ranking.

  • Penn95Penn95 Registered User Posts: 1,563 Senior Member
    @ANormalSeniorGuy yeah you could do it for the other schools too. you would just average out their rankings. it doesn't matter if in one ranking a school is high and in another very low, it means it performs differently by the different standards of the other ranking. i feel that is the point of averaging out, minimizing the bias of just one ranking.

    So I used the latest USNews, Forbes and Niche rankings for the above schools and I got:
    (average rank in parentheses)

    1. Stanford (2.3)
    2. Princeton (3)
    3. Harvard (3.3)
    4. Yale (4)
    5. MIT (4.7)
    6. Penn (9)
    7. Brown (10.7)
    8. Columbia (11)
    9. Dartmouth (13.7)
    10. Chicago (14)
    11. Duke (15)
    12. NW (17)
    13. Caltech (22.3)
    14. Cornell (24.3)
    15. Vanderbilt (24.7)
  • Boothie007Boothie007 Registered User Posts: 109 Junior Member
    Based on above, maybe slightly adjusted tiers:

    Tier 1: HYPSM
    Tier 2: Penn, Brown, Columbia
    Tier 3: Dartmouth, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern
    Tier 4: Caltech, Cornell, Vanderbilt
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    And among Ivy-equivalents, he inexplicably left out Rice and Georgetown (who I have as Ivy-equivalents) and ND (who I have as a near-Ivy). Yet if you look at average ranking, Rice, Georgetown, and ND are above or at the lowest Ivy (Cornell).


    Here are the average rankings (using his methodology of giving USNews twice the weight) for all of the non-Ivy USNews top 30, separated in to privates and publics:

    Elite Privates:
    Stanford: 3
    MIT: 5.25
    UChicago: 11.25
    Duke: 13.25
    ND: 15.25
    Northwestern 15.75
    Rice 16.5
    Caltech: 19.75
    Georgetown 22
    Vandy 22.5
    Tufts: 24.25
    WashU: 26.75
    USC: 32
    Emory: 35
    CMU: 35.75
    JHU 36.25
    Wake: 43.75

    Top Publics:
    UMich: 30.25
    Cal: 30.5
    UVa: 31
    UCLA: 32
    UNC: 37.75
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    edited April 21
    Here's all separated by tiers (really, quarter-tiers, as I consider the bottom of the Ivy League and near-Ivies like UMich/Cal/UVa to be only half a tier apart; that would make HYPSM tier 0):


    Princeton: 2.5
    Harvard & Stanford: 3
    Yale: 3.75
    MIT: 5.25

    Penn: 8.75
    Columbia: 9.5
    UChicago: 11.25
    Brown: 11.5

    Dartmouth: 13
    Duke: 13.25
    ND: 15.25
    Northwestern 15.75
    Rice 16.5

    Caltech: 19.75

    Cornell & Georgetown: 22
    Vandy 22.5

    Tufts: 24.25
    WashU: 26.75

    UMich: 30.25
    Cal: 30.5
    UVa: 31
    UCLA & USC: 32

    Emory: 35
    CMU: 35.75
    JHU 36.25
    UNC: 37.75


    Wake: 43.75


    This actually correlates pretty well with my Ivies/equivalents and Near-Ivies tiers based off of alumni achievements:
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1893105-ivy-equivalents-ranking-based-on-alumni-outcomes-take-2-1-p1.html
  • keiekeikeiekei Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    What is the source for these rankings/methodology? If there was a link to the article, it has been deleted. Could somebody provide the author's name?
  • circuitridercircuitrider Registered User Posts: 2,170 Senior Member
    Further proof that the jockeying doesn't stop just because you got into an Ivy League school. @-)
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    @keiekei: Hmm. Looks like the link is gone, but the methodology is simple:
    (2*USNews rank + Forbes rank + Niche rank)/4
  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 1,399 Senior Member
    For Cornell, all is not the same. Meaning, Arts & Sciences has a greater reputation than ILR or Human Ecology and Ag.
    As a Chemistry major, I got to study with a Nobel Prize winner in Quantum Mechanics which led to a lot of open doors. All the colleges at Cornell shouldn't be considered the same in the rankings, they are not.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,718 Senior Member
    @prepparent: Eh. That's true for many colleges. Ross isn't the same as LSA at UMich. Wharton isn't the same as Penn's Nursing school. But nobody's breaking down the schools within Unis.

    This is all only for bragging rights anyway. People in the know know what to look for and are not as easily misled as the rankings-obsessed.
  • jym626jym626 Registered User Posts: 51,072 Senior Member
    And how many fairies are dancing on the head of this pin today?
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