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Ideas on which schools to consider?

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Replies to: Ideas on which schools to consider?

  • HopefulHoya1103HopefulHoya1103 Registered User Posts: 217 Junior Member
    Also, Rensselaer is supposed to be high stress.
  • carachel2carachel2 Registered User Posts: 2,457 Senior Member
    edited May 19
    In addition to getting her more time for the test, what is she specifically doing on her own to prepare for the next test? Daily practice on section tests could really help her.

    About your Valedictorian (who, sounds like is going to Arkansas, right?)--if she is higher income, a more "prestigious" school may not have been a good option for her if they would've been close to full pay. D is in top 10 of a huge class and we've had several people ask why she is not headed to a "prestigious" school. They assume so much....they just don't understand our EFC is close to $50K so a "prestigious" school would likely been close to $50K per year and there is no way we are paying that. In fact, an overwhelming percent of kids in our top 2% are not headed to privates or more "prestigious" schools because they would cost more for them than UT or A&M.
  • OhHeyOhHey Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    @carachel2 She is studying and as soon as she finishes her required "summer homework" to get into AP classes, she will meet with someone to help tutor her. She has never had test prep, so hopefully that will help.

    And no, our v isn't going to Arkansas. She is very middle income - maybe about my income. Her older brother went to community college and stopped there. V said she looked at 2 colleges and applied to one and took what they offered for scholarship. There is nothing at all wrong with the school she is attending, but with a perfect ACT and V of her class, she could be going somewhere without loans - or taken similar loans for a big name. My point was really that there is just so little help from the school to point kids in a more financially sound direction or to matche them with bigger name schools.
  • eyemgheyemgh Registered User Posts: 3,742 Senior Member
    School prestige and future success aren't necessarily related, nor something that a top student, or any student for that matter, need aspire to. Success is directly correlated to making the best of the opportunities available. Some prestigious institutions are so because of their graduate programs and are quite well known for a far less than desireable undergraduate experiences. Caltech is the oft cited example. On the table referred to by CRD, the highest ranked public is NM Tech, a school no one would cite as prestigious. Yet, something they are doing there is making them very successful at producing students who eventually get their PhDs. Focus on schools that will meet her goals more than brand recognition.

    As for Mudd, I have it on reasonable authority that they pretty much have a 700+/700+/700+ litmus test to be advanced in the admissions process. That would correlate roughly to a 32 ACT.

    Lastly, when you read the posts on how to improve standardized test scores, there's one unifying theme, practice on previous tests. Do it timed. Then, and here's the key, review every question, right and wrong, and learn, if it wasn't already apparent, how they arrived at the correct answer. Rinse, repeat, over and over.
  • gearmomgearmom Registered User Posts: 1,900 Senior Member
    @OhHey What do you think your parent contribution per year could be?
  • OhHeyOhHey Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    @eyemgh great points. I really don't care how prestigious a school DD attends. I just want it to be a good fit for her (and not leave us eating cat food). We ALMOST didn't go look at Rice because I was worried about the "southern ivy league" reputation attached to it. We live what we preach in that one as DD attends a title 1 (ie poor) school but it is a good fit for her.

    It will be interesting to see what the extended time does for her. We have always purchased her answers but generally she does well until she runs out of time and just answers the last questions with one letter to the end. For the questions she genuinely misses, they are generally things she can do (except correct spelling/punctuation ) but didn't read the question correctly.

    I trally appreciate your help.
  • gearmomgearmom Registered User Posts: 1,900 Senior Member
    edited May 19
    Maybe you could look at Skidmore if you need large aid. @NEPatsGirl @OhHey
  • 2mrmagoo2mrmagoo Registered User Posts: 114 Junior Member
    OhHey, a couple of things:

    1) Please take into consideration the quality of the school's learning resources. Some schools (Brown) have excellent reputations for accommodating kids with LD's should your daughter need it. You haven't mentioned if she gets accommodations and support for her LD now, but she may need in in college.

    2) Have a look at some of the reaches on this list which offer most if not all tuition for students with incomes under 100-120k.
    http://affordableschools.net/20-tuition-free-colleges/

    3) Given your daughter's success in school and her dyslexia, I think it is pretty likely your daughter's ACT is not reflecting her intellectual ability. Just in case your school counselor hasn't informed you, not all colleges require the ACT or SAT. Here's a list of test optional/test flexible colleges. https://www.fairtest.org/university/optional

    4) Has your daughter taken SAT subject tests? If not, you may wish to have her take one or two. You should definitely apply for accommodations for that as well.

    Also,

    Colleges which quickly come to mind for bright, kind kids, with physics, nurturing environment, access to professors:

    28 ACT- Bryn Mawr is test optional; Hamilton is test flexible

    Higher ACT needed: Yale , Claremont Colleges, Haverford https://www.haverford.edu/academics/biophysics-concentration
  • NEPatsGirlNEPatsGirl Registered User Posts: 2,139 Senior Member
    Schools I would recommend include Skidmore (they will love that she intends to major in physics!) where undergrad research is available and paid to top students. They are building their STEM departments and in our case provided a fantastic finaid package for my top Math/CS daughter. No greek life, artsy/nerdy vibe, my take is a very kind student body. FWIW, my D sounds just like yours :) When D applied we considered it a low match but its a "hot" school right now and I think their current acceptance rate is 25%.

    Other schools I would look at would be those who provide 100% need. Our favorites on that list were Dickinson and Vassar, she is a match for Dickinson I would say, Vassar a reach. Other ones we toured and liked were Gettysburg, Mount Holyoke (all girls), and Wheaton, all matches IMHO.

    Schools not on the 100% needs met list that I would suggest looking at are Simmons and Barnard (all girls), Bates, and University of Scranton.

    Good luck and let us know how things develop so we can keep helping you.
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 7,151 Senior Member
    edited May 20
    Based on your original post, top colleges that would be excellent for physics may not be particularly familiar to your family. As an indication of some of the stronger programs, students from these colleges have received Apker Awards (for undergraduate research in physics):

    Williams
    Swarthmore
    Amherst
    Hamilton
    Haverford
    Harvey Mudd
    Colgate
    Wesleyan
    Reed
    Macalester
    Middlebury
    Oberlin
    Mt. Holyoke
    Franklin & Marshall
    Bucknell

    From this group, these schools have had graduates who have won a Nobel Prize in a science field:

    Swarthmore
    Amherst
    Hamilton
    Haverford
    Oberlin

    Several of the listed schools are test optional; Most are collaborative; Nearly all offer excellent financial aid.
  • TQfromtheUTQfromtheU Registered User Posts: 874 Member
    She should be auto admit for UT and I would working in another trip there. Great quality, convenience and price in state . My DS didn't realize UT/TxA&M's application deadlines are so early. He is starting at RPI in the fall - the Quad looks very Harry Potter and there is snow!
  • CrewDadCrewDad Registered User Posts: 1,550 Senior Member
    edited May 20
    As an indication of some of the stronger programs, students from these colleges have received Apker Awards (for undergraduate research in physics):

    Some of the colleges had one student win an Apker Award. Awards that were won a over a couple of decades ago don't represent an accurate refection of the quality of the current physics department. Ditto Nobel.

    Hamilton 1994
    Williams 1995
    Haverford 1996
    Swarthmore 1997
    Harvey Mudd 1998
    Williams 1999
    Swarthmore 2000
    IL State 2001
    Williams 2002
    Harvey Mudd 2003
    Williams 2004
    Bucknell 2005
    Harvey Mudd 2006
    Oberlin 2006
    Colgate 2007
    Haverford 2008
    Mt Holyoke 2009
    Wellesley 2009
    Williams 2010
    Wesleyan 2010
    Augustana 2011
    Franklin & Marshall 2012
    Wesleyan 2013
    Loyola Univ MD 2014
    Williams 2015
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 7,151 Senior Member
    edited May 20
    ^ Winning the Apker would be only one distinction. Several of the listed schools that have not produced recent recipients have produced finalists within the last ten years, for example.
  • skieuropeskieurope Super Moderator Posts: 26,006 Super Moderator
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