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US NEWS Releases Top 10 Public Schools, and Things Changed

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Replies to: US NEWS Releases Top 10 Public Schools, and Things Changed

  • guitar321guitar321 Registered User Posts: 416 Member
    UCLA as 21 came as a shock to me. And why is Michigan SO LOW???
  • simba9simba9 Registered User Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
    This proves my theory that the U.S News rankings are ridiculous and arbitrary

    Ridiculous and arbitrary can be applied to any of the college rankings out there.
  • simba9simba9 Registered User Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
    This proves my theory that the U.S News rankings are ridiculous and arbitrary
    Ridiculous and arbitrary can be applied to any of the college rankings out there.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Super Moderator Posts: 24,033 Super Moderator
    "UCLA as 21 came as a shock to me. And why is Michigan SO LOW???"

    The methodology is flawed and public universities pay the price.
  • ZinheadZinhead Registered User Posts: 2,469 Senior Member
    For reference, here are the current top 20 public universities:

    2018
    1___University of California at Berkeley________21
    1___University of California at Los Angeles_____21
    3___University of Virginia___________________25
    4___University of Michigan at Ann Arbor_______28
    5___University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill__30
    6___College of William and Mary_____________32
    7___Georgia Institute of Technology__________34
    8___University of California at Santa Barbara___37
    9___University of California at Irvine__________42-
    9___University of California at San Diego______42
    9___University of Florida___________________42+
    12__University of California at Davis__________46
    12__University of Wisconsin at Madison_______46
    14__Pennsylvania State University___________52
    14__University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign_52-
    16__University of Washington_______________54
    16__University of Georgia__________________54
    18__Purdue University_____________________56
    18__University of Connecticut_______________56
    18__University of Texas at Austin____________56

    Most of the overall rankings stayed the same with minor variations. Only two schools had big movements of four or more spots; UIUC dropping from #44 to #52, and and UF going from #50 to #42. I agree that these figures really don't mean that much. Wisconsin's financial situation is improving, and they are well run so they have a good shot at moving up the list. UIUC on the other hand has significant challenges and I don't think we will see them back in the top 10 for a long time.

    Last years rankings are as follows:

    2017
    1___University of California at Berkeley________20
    2___University of Virginia___________________24
    2___University of California at Los Angeles_____24
    4___University of Michigan at Ann Arbor_______27
    5___University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill__30
    6___College of William and Mary_____________32
    7___Georgia Institute of Technology__________34
    8___University of California at Santa Barbara___37
    9___University of California at Irvine__________39
    10__University of Wisconsin at Madison_______44
    10__University of California at San Diego______44
    10__University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign_44
    10__University of California at Davis__________44
    14__Pennsylvania State University___________50
    14__University of Florida___________________50
    16__University of Washington_______________54
    17__University of Texas at Austin____________56
  • osuprofosuprof Registered User Posts: 329 Member
    @zinhead: any particular reason you left out Ohio State (16th public, 54th overall, unchanged)? And that makes the 3 schools shown tied for #18 actually #19 this year, and Texas Austin #18 for last year.
  • ZinheadZinhead Registered User Posts: 2,469 Senior Member
    @osuprof - Sorry about that. I hope the following meets with your approval.


    2018
    1___University of California at Berkeley________21
    1___University of California at Los Angeles_____21
    3___University of Virginia___________________25
    4___University of Michigan at Ann Arbor_______28
    5___University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill__30
    6___College of William and Mary_____________32
    7___Georgia Institute of Technology__________34
    8___University of California at Santa Barbara___37
    9___University of California at Irvine__________42-
    9___University of California at San Diego______42
    9___University of Florida___________________42+
    12__University of California at Davis__________46
    12__University of Wisconsin at Madison_______46
    14__Pennsylvania State University___________52
    14__University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign_52-
    16__University of Washington_______________54
    16__University of Georgia__________________54
    16__THE Ohio State University______________54
    19__Purdue University_____________________56
    19__University of Connecticut_______________56
    19__University of Texas at Austin____________56
  • CenterCenter Registered User Posts: 1,345 Senior Member
    These rankings are essentially a FRAUD. They base them on things like new buildings and diversity and many other factors that have nothing to do with the quality of the education provided
  • ThankYouforHelpThankYouforHelp Registered User Posts: 1,192 Senior Member
    @center umm... I don't think new buildings or diversity are part of the ranking formula at all. Let me check.... nope, neither of those things is in there.

    I'm curious. How would you rank "quality of the education provided?"
  • CenterCenter Registered User Posts: 1,345 Senior Member
    selectivity=admittance rate. Since the Common App made it so easy to apply to more schools, the sheer numbers of applications have risen (SOARED actually) (particularly to the best schools and/or the schools with best FA etc) and acceptance rates have been artificially depressed.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 30,443 Senior Member
    Actually, not so. Some colleges have high acceptance rates/high stats and other high acceptance rates/low stats, or low acceptance rates/low stats.... Think of Berea, Reed, St John's, Hampshire, women's colleges...
    The only exception to this is whether the university is below 20%, where it's always low acceptance rate/high stats - but acceptance rate is only a fraction of a small percentage total (something like 1% total).
  • ThankYouforHelpThankYouforHelp Registered User Posts: 1,192 Senior Member
    @Center You know that admission rate is only 1.25 percent of the US News ranking formula.
  • Gator88NEGator88NE Registered User Posts: 5,352 Senior Member
    Zinhead wrote:
    Most of the overall rankings stayed the same with minor variations. Only two schools had big movements of four or more spots; UIUC dropping from #44 to #52, and and UF going from #50 to #42.

    UF and UIUC are (and their respective states) financially heading in two very different directions.

    UT-Austin not being a top 10 public school is very disappointing, especially when you consider it's financial resources. I think the top 10% (was it 7% this year?) rule is killing it's selectivity score, as well as it's graduation rates.
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