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Old 09-02-2007, 01:21 PM   #1
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Where Students Can Meet College Admission Officers

I'll group information from a previous thread here. Thanks to the students and parents who shared links about college fairs and regional information sessions.

Many years ago I began attending National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC) National College Fair

http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal...CF/default.htm

events, as research for my personal Web site.

In 2003 at the Minnesota National College Fair, my son and I were invited at the Harvard booth there to attend a Harvard-specific regional information meeting at Southwest High School later that fall. That was my first experience with college regional information sessions, which I have found to be very informative and a good supplement to college fairs. I'll mention both kinds of events in this thread.

The NACAC National College Fair

http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal...CF/default.htm

and NACAC Performing & Visual Arts College Fairs

http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal...VA/default.htm

are large events, often held in convention centers, with usually hundreds of colleges sending representatives. Not all colleges attend the same NACAC college fairs, so the colleges that appear at the nearest NACAC event to your town may be different from those appearing in another town. I find NACAC college fairs seriously overstimulating but very interesting and informative. Most include a certain number of seminar sessions on specialized topics as well as the opportunity to meet dozens of college representatives in their convention exhibitor booths.

There are some regional associations of college admission counselors that organize regional college fairs too, and other national organizations that organize college fairs. Below are links to some examples of those events.

National Scholarship Service (NSS)

http://www.nssfns.com/category_s/37.htm

New England Association for College Admission Counseling

http://www1.wnec.edu/admissions/inde...ction=doc.1423

Fall 2007 Minnesota Education Fair (various locations)

http://www.mn-acac.org/?s=fairs_mef&print=true

Wisconsin Education Fairs

http://www.wefs.org/locations

Sometimes particular secondary schools or school districts or consortiums of schools or other organizations organize local college fairs.

http://www.fcps.edu/ss/FCPSCollegeFairNight/index.htm

http://www.srs.gov/general/outreach/...coll_night.htm

http://www.collegefairsdenver.org/Dates.html

You can bring all of your favorite questions to college fair events and get answers to those questions straight from college representatives. I hope you'll share the answers you get with other students and parents here in this thread, by posting visit reports. Have a great time meeting college admission officers during September, October, and November 2007, and best wishes for a great admission season.
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By attending NACAC college fairs, I learned about about regional college information sessions, and I've been compiling bookmarks about those since then, which I'll share here. I hope you find the session about the college of interest to you informative and valuable. Some prospective students travel here to Minnesota from Iowa or South Dakota to attend regional information sessions--that's still less expensive than traveling to the college, in some cases.

Some regional events happen in the summer, and a few websites are not yet complete with a full schedule of fall 2007 meetings. If you know of other Web links like this, feel free to share them in replies to this thread. I'll first list consortium programs and then list programs of individual colleges. Some colleges that participate in consortium programs have plenty of individual programs too.

Colleges That Change Lives Consortium (about thirty liberal arts colleges from Agnes Scott College to Whitman College)

http://www.ctcl.com/events/

Exploring College Options consortium (Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, Penn, and Stanford)

http://exploringcollegeoptions.org/

Exploring Educational Excellence Consortium (Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, and Rice)

http://www.exploringeducationalexcellence.org/

Eight of the Best Colleges consortium (Claremont McKenna College, Colorado College, Connecticut College, Grinnell College, Haverford College, Kenyon College, Macalester College, Sarah Lawrence College)

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/admi...ad/8ofbest.asp


Many colleges post lists of regional information sessions. In some cases those are stand-alone events, and in other cases they are participation by that college in local or regional college fairs or high school visits, not all of which may be open to the public. Some of these websites are still being updated.

Arizona State University

http://www.asu.edu/admissions/ASUNearYou/schedule.html

Bentley College

http://www.bentley.edu/undergraduate/college_fair.cfm

Boston College

http://www.bc.edu/admission/undergra...visit-you.html

(The Boston College Web page is not laid out correctly for browser
independence.)

Boston University

http://www.bu.edu/admissions/explore...ons/index.html

Brown University

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...wnnearyou.html

California Institute of Technology (Caltech)

http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/events

Carnegie Mellon University

http://my.cmu.edu/site/admission/page.visit

Case Western Reserve University

http://admission.case.edu/future.asp

Claremont Colleges

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/admi...receptions.asp

Clark University

http://www.clarku.edu/admissions/cotr/bydate.cfm

Colby College

http://www.colby.edu/admissions_cs/v...interviews.cfm

Columbia University

http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.e...ents/intro.php

Cornell College

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/admiss...ffcampus.shtml

Cornell University

http://admissions.cornell.edu/seasonal/events/

Davidson College

http://www2.davidson.edu/admission//...av/admtrav.asp

DePauw University

http://www.depauw.edu/admission/visi...irs-detail.asp

Duke University

http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/...iscover-US.asp

Emory University

http://www.emory.edu/ADMISSIONS/travel.htm

Georgetown University

http://www12.georgetown.edu/undergra...inyourarea.cfm

Harvard University

http://www.admissions.college.harvar...dule/index.cgi

Indiana University: Bloomington

https://www.indiana.edu/~iuadmit/events/index.php

Johns Hopkins University

http://apply.jhu.edu/visit/explorehopkins.html

Lehigh University

http://www3.lehigh.edu/admissions/in...ramdetails.asp

Linfield College

http://www.linfield.edu/admission/ad...taff/fairs.php

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/...le/index.shtml

Middlebury College

http://community.middlebury.edu/~phi...ames_index.htm

(The Middlebury page has a misnamed security certificate, but you can
ignore that and click through.)

New York University

http://events.embark.com/event/nyu/off_campus/

Northeastern University

http://www.neu.edu/admissions/visitc...nyourarea.html

Northwestern University

http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/cg.../session01.cgi

Oberlin College

http://www.oberlin.edu/admissions/co...ntheroad.shtml

Pennsylvania State University (Penn State)

http://admissions.psu.edu/pennstate/visitsyou/

Reed College

http://web.reed.edu/apply/reed_on_the_road/index.html

(Following the Reed links to particular state events or using the
clickable map may resize your Web browser window or do other nasty things.)

Rice University

http://www.futureowls.rice.edu/futur...nID=1744571989

Savannah College of Art and Design

http://www.scad.edu/admission/yourarea/

(The SCAD page is not very well designed from a Web usability point of
view.)

Stanford University

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/app..._regional.html

University of Chicago

http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/level2.asp?id=90

University of Miami

http://www6.miami.edu/UMH/CDA/UMH_Ma...9406-3,00.html

http://www6.miami.edu/UMH/CDA/UMH_Ma...8186-3,00.html

University of Minnesota Rochester

http://www.r.umn.edu/07_student_serv...he%20road.html

University of Minnesota Twin Cities

http://admissions.tc.umn.edu/events/offcampus.html

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

http://www.admissions.unc.edu/visiting/inyourtown.htm

University of Notre Dame

https://admissions.nd.edu/ontheroad/

University of Pennsylvania (Penn)

http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/yourtown/

University of Rochester

http://enrollment.rochester.edu/admi...nts/offcampus/

University of Virginia

http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadm.../uvavisit.html

Vanderbilt University

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Admissions/roadshow.php

Vassar College

http://admissions.vassar.edu/road_schedule.html

Washington University in St. Louis

http://aisweb.wustl.edu/admissions/h...pages/groupmtg

Wesleyan University

http://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/pl...rs_alumni.html

Wheaton College

http://www.wheaton.edu/admissions/Un...legefairs.php4

Whitman College

http://www.whitman.edu/content/admis...&range=current

Yale University

http://admissions.yale.edu/events/


P.S. If you are planning to attend any of these meetings this fall, I'd be grateful if you post a visit report to this thread. The colleges below this line are listed with links that don't lead to current information as of when I post this. They may be updated soon.

Amherst College

http://www.amherst.edu/admission/imp...onnecting.html

Harvey Mudd College

http://www.hmc.edu/admin/admission/travel_fall.html

Princeton University

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/ep/

University of Wisconsin--Madison

http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/inyourtown.php
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:25 AM   #3
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It can make a big difference if an admissions officer actually takes an interest in the student. In the admissions procedure at many schools, having an advocate on the admissions committee can get the student into the Yes, or Maybe pile as opposed to the No pile. When schools take students off the wait list, it is often those who were favorites of some of the admissions officers. However, I think that it's hard to get on an admissions officer's radar. It doesn't happen that often. Still, it's worth attending these meetings, because it could happen.
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:39 AM   #4
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Thank you for this very helpful post.
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Old 09-08-2007, 08:56 PM   #5
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Sources of College Information to Gather before an Info Session

The United States federal government gathers information about colleges through its Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS) project,

http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/

and private publishers such as Peterson's and U.S. News have for years been sending surveys to colleges. Now the College Board and the private publishers have a consortium effort called the Common Data Set Initiative,

http://www.commondataset.org/default.asp

designed to reduce duplication in college surveys and ensure comparability of facts and figures reported by colleges.

Some of the federally gathered information is distributed through the Department of Education's College Opportunities Online Locator

http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

and other aspects of the federal data are reported by the Education Trust College Results Online site.

http://www.collegeresults.org/default.htm

Students choosing colleges sometimes look at reported score ranges for the students at various colleges to decide what colleges to apply to. The National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC),

http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal/

IPEDS, and the Common Data Set Initiative have collaborated to set common standards for colleges gathering data about admission characteristics of their applicants and reporting data about their enrolled classes each year.

Another participant on College Confidential has compiled a great list of colleges that post their Common Data Set filings online

Links to the Common Data Sets Posted by Colleges

(go to the last page for the latest updates)

and that provides a good starting point for research on many colleges.

I see from time to time that reports about college score ranges don't always follow NACAC-IPEDS-CDS principles and practices. By the National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC) Statement of Principles of Good Practice,

http://www.nacacnet.org/NR/rdonlyres...FE8/0/SPGP.pdf

and by the actual practice of the Common Data Set, colleges report only interquartile ranges for each section of the SAT (and in rare cases SAT composite scores), and interquartile ranges for ACT composite scores (and in rare cases ACT section scores too). The NACAC principle reads like this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by NACAC Statement of Principles of Good Practice
All postsecondary members should:

8. refrain from the public reporting of mean and median admission test scores and, instead, report scores by the middle 50 percent of the scores of all first-year applicants, admitted and/or enrolled students;
The Common Data Set instructions read:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Common Data Set instructions
C9. Percent and number of first-time, first-year (freshman) students enrolled in fall [year] who submitted national standardized (SAT/ACT) test scores. Include information for ALL enrolled, degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted test scores. Do not include partial test scores (e.g., mathematics scores but not critical reading for a category of students) or combine other standardized test results (such as TOEFL) in this item. Do not convert SAT scores to ACT scores and vice versa.

The 25th percentile is the score that 25 percent scored at or below; the 75th percentile score is the one that 25 percent scored at or above.
However the very interesting Education Trust college profiles

http://www.collegeresults.org/default.htm

suffer from a methodological error: "The median composite ACT score is estimated by averaging the 25th percentile and 75th percentile composite ACT scores. The median combined SAT score is estimated by adding the average of the 25th and 75th percentile verbal score to the average of the 25th and 75th percentile math score, and dividing by two."

http://www.collegeresults.org/aboutthedata.aspx

Such a calculated "median" composite score should NOT be assumed to be exactly the same as the actual median of all scores of students in that college's entering class. What the actual median is has to be determined from the data themselves, and colleges are not to report the actual medians, by NACAC principles. I have also seen attempts online to estimate 75th percentile levels for SAT composite scores, simply by summing the scores for the 75th percentile on each SAT section. I hope it is so apparent that it goes without saying why that figure may not be the same as the actual 75th percentile level of composite scores in that group of students: if various students score higher on one section than another, matching the math scores of the 75th percentile math scorers with the critical reading scores of the 75th percentile critical reading scorers may overstate the composite scores of the top quartile of students.

It's sufficient, of course, to look at the interquartile ranges to see if students with certain levels of scores have a great or meager chance of getting admitted. And once a student wraps his or her mind around how to read interquartile ranges reported for each test section, it is really much more helpful for the student's planning to know those ranges than only to know a (possibly incorrect) median composite score for a college to which the student may apply.

And of course this College Confidential site has a wide variety of college-specific forums for discussing information about particular colleges that are of interest to you. These days pretty nearly any college has a website, and it is always a good idea to browse college websites to look for official information from the college. My one tip about that is that many college admission offices still think like people from the printed brochure era, so often the Web posting of a college's viewbook has more up-to-date and detailed information than the FAQ section of the college's admission office website.

A lot of college information sessions begin this week. Let's share reports of what we learn from college information sessions this year.
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do you specifically have info about international travel to China?
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:29 AM   #7
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I recall that some of the links above about individual college travel plans include places in east Asia--Hong Kong and Singapore for sure--but I don't recall off-hand for which colleges China is a destination.
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Checked Linked Websites Here and Above for Updates

Villanova University has posted its list of information sessions and high school visits, which includes international visits.

http://www.villanova.edu/enroll/admi...vu_visits_you/

American University has begun posting its schedule of information sessions, and it looks like updates will include overseas sessions.

http://admissions.american.edu/publi...=923&docID=781

Dartmouth has updated its list; R.S.V.P. is requested.

http://inyourcity.dartmouth.edu/infosessions

Amherst has now posted its schedule.

http://www.amherst.edu/admission/imp...onnecting.html

Some other colleges still promise to post their schedules Real Soon Now. Many visit programs are underway now or begin this weekend. I hope you have a pleasant and informative visit; I'd be glad to hear from you what you find out at the information sessions you attend.
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Thanks to parent sewbusy who spotted Princeton's updated page for this year.

http://www.princeton.edu/admission/v...n/on_the_road/
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Thank you tokenadult!
You are being so helpful!
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What I Heard about This Year's MIT Session

Hi, everyone,

My wife and oldest son are back from the MIT information session at Sabathani Community Center in Minneapolis, presented by admission officer McGregor Crowley and several members of MIT's team of Education Counselors (ECs) (a.k.a. alumni interviewers). I am referring to their notes and to a conversation with a local friend who also attended the session for this description of what was said there.

Last year the information session was in a suburban location within walking distance of my home; this year it was in the heart of inner city Minneapolis, within walking distance of where I lived when I was last a student. My wife estimates there were about 180 people in attendance in the auditorium. McGregor Crowley introduced himself to the group and said he had a particular interest in applicants from low income brackets or who are the first in their families to go to college. The "take home message" is the vibrancy of MIT.

MIT is interdisciplinary, connecting the unconnected. The problem sets are collaborative and promote working as a team. MIT's mission is to solve problems involving energy, the environment, cancer, poverty, and education, among other issues.

MIT has five different schools offering a wide variety of majors. There are schools of engineering; science; management; humanities, arts, and social sciences (HASS); and architecture. MIT has classes at a variety of levels so that all students can take classes at their own level of ability.

The MIT motto is "mens et manus" (mind and hand). Hands-on research experiences are available at MIT through the Undergraduate Research Opportunities Program (UROP), which can be paid, volunteer, or for course credit. A majority of MIT students participate in UROPs.

MIT has many student organizations. [Those are enumerated by category in the handouts from the session.]

In your application, make it fun to read for the admission officers by talking about your passion. Students sometimes design their own research projects, so take student interests seriously. Include information in your application about your activities and how you achieve balance in your life. Set up an interview: it's a chance to talk about your life, about you, and about your goals. You will need letters of recommendation from a math or science teacher and from a humanities teacher. You will also need a guidance counselor letter.

You will need test scores from the SAT I with writing or the ACT with writing, and two SAT Subject Test scores from one of the two mathematics tests and one science test. SAT scores of 600 or higher are sufficient--"We have never made a decision based on test scores [alone]."

MIT offers a nonbinding early action admission option.

MIT is looking for young people who

1) have a sense of mission who want to do something,

2) have perseverance to take an idea and work on it,

3) have a collaborative spirit for helping others,

4) have initiative and curiosity,

5) are risk-taking, resulting in taking hard classes, (Many MIT students are solid B students who take the hardest classes they could.)

6) are hands-on doers,

7) have character, who have an obligation in life such as baby-sitting,

8) have balance.

After the main talk the local educational counselors (ECs) who attended the meeting introduced themselves. Most typically interview students from the same group of high schools each year, becoming familiar with those schools. They advised making your application memorable, using anecdotes rather than adjectives. Tell your story. One of the ECs, in one-on-one conversation with my wife while serving juice after the meeting, said that it's a good idea for a student to ask adults who know the student, "What do you notice about me?" Many times students are too casual about activities they do that make the adults who know them go "wow," so it is important for the student to get a sense of what activities make each student unique.

In the United States as a whole, about one applicant out of every six or seven will be admitted. The base acceptance rate is higher for Minnesota applicants. The ECs said there is no significant difference in acceptance rate between early action application and regular action application.

Someone asked about transfer admission, and the reply was that odds for transfer admission are very poor indeed. One transfer applicant who was successful recently was an International Mathematical Olympiad gold medalist who didn't find a good fit in his first college.
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Report on Tuesday 18 September 2007 Caltech Info Session in MN

My oldest son and I attended the Caltech information session this evening in Bloomington, MN, a suburb of Minneapolis. We arrived at the hotel meeting room just before the stated start time and saw the admission officer Owen Wolf (whose picture we had seen online before the meeting) greeting guests at the door and asking if they had a registration ticket. We did not, but my son's name was on a postcard in the officer's hand because he had preregistered for the event. My son checked the information on the card for accuracy and then we found seats in the room. At first there was very unpleasant recent rock music playing in the room.

There were 110 chairs set out at the start of the meeting, almost all of those eventually filled, with some attendees standing at the back. We saw some of my son's ARML teammates and one of those said, "It's an ARML reunion." This was a much bigger meeting than the Saturday afternoon Caltech information session we attended three years ago.

Owen Wolf thanked us on behalf of Caltech for coming to the meeting on an evening with heavy rain. He asked students to raise hands; almost half the attendees were prospective Caltech students.

Mr. Wolf started a slide show. He said Caltech offers various features, laid out in his main slide titles.

BIG SCIENCE

The college was founded in 1891 but took a new direction in 1903 when a Harvard-trained astronomer, Hale, came out to do research in California. Hale believed that "science investigation is the spring that feeds the stream" of engineering and technology, so he changed the college from being a practical tech school (with a course on typewriting!) to being a theoretical, research-oriented university of science. Noyes and Millikan also played big roles in the development of Caltech.

Caltech has many Nobel laureates on the faculty. Yet faculty are evaluated by how well they teach undergraduates. The 3:1 ratio of students to professors ensures opportunities to get to know professors well.

BIG RESEARCH

Research facilities affiliated with Caltech include the Jet Propulsion Laboratory nearby in California, and the Keck Observatory in Hawaii. "You can blame us for Pluto no longer being called a planet," said Mr. Wolf. There is research on the biochemistry of the human brain's response to stress and Caltech operates the Mars Rover.

BIG OPPORTUNITIES

Caltech likes professors and students to be colleagues. You'll be expected to work collaboratively on problem sets.

There are only 900 undergraduates at Caltech, and only 2,000 students total. Mr. Wolf said it's a misconception that small size limits opportunities. Caltech has many facilities and resources, and its small size ensures that students have access to them. Most courses have twenty or fewer students per class.

CAMPUS CULTURE

Caltech has an honor code. Mr. Wolf asked the high school students if any of them go to a school with an honor code, and I think my son was the only one who raised his hand. The entire Caltech honor code fits on one slide: "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." One consequence of the honor code is that all students have keys to all the labs so that they have 24/7 access to research equipment. You can get up at 3:00am with a new idea about chemistry and immediately grab a beaker and try it out in the lab. All Caltech exams are unproctored, and you are told what materials are fair game for the exams and trusted to follow those conditions.

Caltech has core requirements for all majors of
6 units of math
5 units of physics
2 units of chemistry
1 unit of biology
a freshman "menu" course
2 intro labs
1 unit of scientific writing
12 units of social science or humanities
3 physical education units, e.g., Ultimate Frisbee, ping pong, etc.

Caltech is organized into six academic divisions: biology; chemistry and chemical engineering; engineering and applied science; geology and planetary science; humanities and social science; and physics, mathematics, and astronomy. About 20 percent of students double major. One Caltech professor commented once, "If you don't teach scientists history, bad things will happen," so there is a strong emphasis on the humanities and social science courses, also so that Caltech students can communicate their ideas to nontechnical people.

Caltech offers a medical scholars program with UC San Diego. Apply to Caltech EA, and if admitted submit an application to the UCSD medical scholars program. Then you can be assured of medical school admission without taking an MCAT. Caltech also has a more conventional pre-med track that could lead to any medical school, and has opportunities for hospital internships.

Caltech has study abroad programs FOR SCIENTISTS that allow them to keep on pace to get their technical degrees and still experience foreign living.

A great program for undergraduate researchers is the Summer Undergraduate Research Fellowship (SURF) program, allowing summer research with pay of $6,000 over the summer.

Caltech students live in one of eight houses, which are neither exactly like dorms nor exactly like frat houses, but a lot like Hogwarts in the Harry Potter novels.

A big Caltech tradition is Ditch Day. [Ditch Day is the first thing I ever heard about Caltech, reading about it in a magazine article when I was in elementary school.] On Ditch Day, seniors leave the campus to hang out in Pasadena, and underclassmen try to break into their rooms to perform pranks. The seniors set up elaborate defense mechanisms for their rooms. The pranks and defenses get more elaborate each year, and now often have house themes.

Caltech ranks higher on the all-time list of college pranks than that other technical university in Cambridge, MA. The Caltech students have rewritten the hillside Hollywood sign to read "Caltech." They have hacked the scoreboard at the Rose Bowl to read "Caltech 38, MIT 9," winning praise from the scoreboard operator for figuring out how to write "Caltech" with lower-case letters. They also hacked a half-time card-flipping show at the Rose Bowl, stealing the glory of the U of WA Huskies to have the cards flip to show the Caltech mascot, the beaver, and the word "Caltech."

Overall, the campus culture is defined by "a shared passion for mathematics, science, and engineering." Caltech students have intellectual respect for one another, inquisitive creative mindpower, and a quirky sense of fun.

Mr. Wolf then took questions from the audience. As usual, parents asked most of the questions. My son commented after this session that the questions were much more elementary and on issues that parents should have looked up for themselves than at the MIT session on Saturday here.

Q [student]: How is the SAT II used in the admission process?

A: The math level 2 and one science SAT II are required because they are specific to those subjects. They help Caltech assess better than the more general SAT I test.

Q [parent]: How safe is the campus?

A: The campus has nineteen security officers and they come instantly if phoned by Caltech's emergency number or if a student lifts up one of the many blue security phones on campus. There is an escort service for crossing campus late at night. Houses have locks activated by infrared cards.

Q [student]: The ratio?

A: 65:35 male:female. Caltech wants that to change, but doesn't give preferences to applicants on that basis and doesn't change its standards. Caltech is doing outreach to gain more applications from women and from underrepresented minorities. Students should think about what kind of atmosphere makes them comfortable.

Q [parent]: Transfer credit for PSEO dual-enrollment college-as-high-school study?

A: Caltech expects students to take rigorous courses, but doesn't give credit for AP, IB, or college courses taken as a high school student. Caltech gives placement tests to admitted students and those are the basis for placement in appropriately advanced courses. You need to demonstrate that you can handle the work. You may think that you are duplicating courses, but Caltech courses are different. Just because you've taken a course in physics before doesn't mean you won't learn something from a Caltech physics course.

As for classes, there are no classes from noon to 1:00pm so everyone can eat lunch. There are no classes from 4:00pm to 6:00pm so sports teams can practice. All courses are taken P/F for the first two trimesters.

Q: Criteria for medical scholars program?

A: Apply to Caltech EA. If admitted, then apply to UCSD for medical scholars program, indicating interest in medicine.

Q [parent]: Can undergraduates at Caltech take graduate classes?

A: It's possible if space in the class is available. Graduate students have registration priority. If you have the aptitude, it's possible.

Q: Graduation rate?

A: Low 90s percent. Some leave Caltech because Caltech isn't what they thought it was. Comparison shop while you are a high school student so you know what college fits you.

Q [parent]: Can you get two years of transfer credit for participating in Minnesota's PSEO (dual enrollment in college for high school) program?

A: No credit for PSEO. No dual credit. [I commented to my son that this is the FAQ par excellence in Minnesota; parents always ask this question at elite college information sessions in this state.]

Q: The number who apply? The number who are admitted? How do you pick students?

A: Applications are read three times, at least. Once by an admission officer (who looks for basic minimal qualifications), once by a professor (who looks for adequate preparation for the student's undergraduate studies), once by a student admission committee member (one of sixteen undergraduates each year who assess applications for fit to Caltech's residential life). The important question to answer is "How have the last four years in high school made me a better scientist or mathematician or engineer?" Mention specific details. The other important question is, "What would your roommate say about you?" Do you stay in your room all day? Do you join projects with other students?

If students aren't specific, the Caltech admission committee has no way to know how they'll function. Applicants have to understand that Caltech is a community.

Q: Average financial aid?

A: Fantastic. Merit scholarships, need-based grants, loans, and work study. More than thirty Axline scholarships are offered each year.

First, Caltech gives all the grants it can. Work study jobs can pay up to $25 per hour. Graduates have an average debt of only $5000 after four years at Caltech. Submit the FAFSA and the CSS Profile, and Caltech will figure out the rest.

Q: Do outside scholarships reduce the financial aid package.

A: It depends on the outside scholarship.

Q [student]: Can you get credit for college work before Caltech? Do you have to repeat classes? [My reaction was, didn't you hear the earlier question?]

A: Absolutely not [you will not have to repeat classes]. Caltech classes are more challenging. We'll place you by the placement tests.

Q: Foreign languages at Caltech?

A: These days only Spanish and French. You can double major with one major being a language major.

Some of the questions were so routine I recorded only the answers; you can guess the questions.

A: We accept the ACT; take what you are comfortable with.

A: No interviews.

Be sure to get a letter of recommendation from a teacher who likes you. Some students try to get letters from teachers of classes in which they were struggling. Faculty members read the letters, and comments like, "This student was surly and argumentative" or "This student didn't turn in all his homework" raise red flags. Letters can be sent ahead of the other required application forms.

A: We don't prefer online or paper. Just make sure to get the application in on time. Don't wait until the day of the deadline.

A: Early action is nonbinding. You can comparison shop. If Caltech is your fallback school, you are doing really well. [That line got smiles from some of the ARML team students.] An early action application shows interest in Caltech--you are getting your application together early in your senior year. There is no significant difference in acceptance rate for EA. Deferment is NOT the same as a denial. Usually being deferred means that the admission committee needs more information to make a decision. Respond to a deferral by sending a letter updating the admission committee on new facts about you that have come up since you filed your EA application.

A: The October SAT is the last date timely for EA.

A: Send in your SAT scores through an official College Board score report.

Q: Weighting of SAT II scores?

A: All are weighed equally. Caltech looks at your specific strengths. No one area of your application makes or breaks you. Caltech is one of the most holistic admission offices known to Owen Wolf [who has worked at other admission offices before working at Caltech].

Then the general meeting was dismissed. Just a few families stayed to ask more specific questions. Most of those questions related to expense and financial aid.

Does this sound like an interesting college to you? Are you planning to go to a later Caltech information session?
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Old 09-23-2007, 05:01 PM   #13
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Here are some links to some colleges' pages on off-campus visits. Check with each college about whether you can arrange a meeting.


Barnard College

http://www.barnard.edu/admiss/fall_e...ff-campus.html

Bates College

http://www.bates.edu/off-campus-options.xml

Colgate University

http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefault1.aspx?tabid=1023

Haverford College

http://www.haverford.edu/admission/i...ighborhood.php

Kenyon College

http://www.kenyon.edu/x1834.xml

Macalester College

http://www2.macalester.edu/admissions/areavisits.cfm

Smith College

http://www.smith.edu/admission/visit/
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:05 AM   #14
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Plenty of colleges for everyone. Here are some more links.


University of Redlands

http://www.redlands.edu/area.xml

Truman State University

http://admissions.truman.edu/contact/schedule.asp

Rider University

http://www.rider.edu/160_383.htm

Norwich University

http://www.norwich.edu/admissions/nuontheroad.html

Butler University

http://go.butler.edu/experiencebutler/?pg=1659

Lander University

http://www.lander.edu/admissions/LU_on_the_Road_.html

Connecticut College

http://www.conncoll.edu/admission/4181.htm

Mount Ida College

http://www.mountida.edu/sp.cfm?pageid=949

Newbury College

http://www.newbury.edu/admissions_aid/on_the_road.shtml

Lesley College

http://www.lesley.edu/lc/travel.html

Lake Forest College

http://www.lakeforest.edu/admissions/ontheroad.asp

Meredith College

http://www.meredith.edu/admissions/on-the-road.htm

Wilkes Honors College (Florida Atlantic University)

http://www.fau.edu/divdept/honcol/admissions_events.htm

McDaniel College

http://www.mcdaniel.edu/262.htm

Culinary Institute of America

http://www.ciachef.edu/admissions/visit/schedule.asp
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:09 PM   #15
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CC participant marite posted a link in the Parents Forum

http://www.boston.com/news/education...middle/?page=2

which, as parent jackief pointed out, is a press report on a college information session. If you go to attend college information sessions, you can learn information that seems like news to professional reporters.
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