My daughter is a mediocre math student who will be lucky to get a C in Precalculus this year. She wants to be a women's studies major and hopes to find a school that has no math in its general education requirement. She has a weighted 3.5 GPA and 1300 SAT as a junior. We are looking in Ohio and surrounding states. Any suggestions?
In the "guidance counselor answers student request" section of my college book, the student asks for "school suitable for a student who scored 800 on SAT verbal and 500 on SAT Math and who refused to take math in high school" and the answer was Bard College.
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My belief is that you mean she doesn't have to take math in college. This means you need to discover the degree requirement at a particular school for a particular major/department. This can vary all over the place. She will have completed precalc correct?
bluebayouPosts: 21,332Registered UserSenior Member
also, be advised that no math beyond precalc essentially limits your D to humanities classes only (english, history, music), since all science, and social science (econ, pyschology, sociology) courses require calc lite, or at least college algebra.
Thanks for the advice. I believe she could drag herself through some basic college math but she has an aversion to it. Last year she scored a 600 on the math part of the SAT and read that the University of Maryland would wave the general ed math requirement with that score so she was encouraged. She will definitely be a liberal arts major somewhere.
hmm... lots of LACs have no distributoin requirements. I know Reed doesnt, neither does Amherst (although that might be a little unrealistic, its impossible to get in to).
Finishing up high school, I'll have never taken pre-calculus. I took Algebra II and trigonometry last year, and this year im taking AP stats. I'm admitted to University of Chicago (If I went there, I think I will have to take two years of math, one for pre-calc and another to finish their calculus sequence, unless they allow me to just do statistics). When I interviewed at northwestern, the girl who interviewed me was a recent grad who had been a journalism and economics double major. She hadn't taken pre-calc before college either. So, as far as all of you guys are saying about needing calculus for any major other than humanities, I think that your generalizing a bit much. Even pre-med only requires that you take two semesters of calculus.
Obviously, your daughter is not going to be a math major. However, tell her that she will be amazed how different and more interesting college math can be compared to high school math, and not to shut it out completely.
With that said, any college except UofC and large Public schools will be good for somebody who wants to avoid cumbersome GE requirements.
bluebayouPosts: 21,332Registered UserSenior Member
TheCity (I wished I had used that screen name)...
Smith and Brown have no distribution requirements either. But, any 'ology' reserach essentially requires calc, as does a business degree from a top school. AP Stats is a good course, and I recommend it highly, but it ain't hard math (only requires a background in algebra 1).
calculus its a prereq for NW's micro econ series which is required for the major. Calc is also "strongly recommended" for their macro econ serices which is also required for the major. (I just checked their website). So, someone planning on that major would be at a significant disadvantage in course selection, until the math requirement was completed.
Our junior daughter has been in advanced math for several years and has done well but but is now struggling in pre-calc honors. We've told her that she does not have to take calc her senior year. Before we made this decision, I reviewed quite a few core and prereq requirements for match at both universities and LACs and there is a range in terms of what type of math class is recommended or required. Calculus is not a typical requirement for social science curricula nor is it a typical core gen ed requirement. As indicated in an earlier post, college algebra is often the top requirement outside of physical sciences, engineering, pre-pharmacy, etc. And it is also very typical to have a general "quantitative" requirement that can be fulfilled by courses such as symbolic logic or statistics. With her background, a college algebra course should not be extremely difficult and a stat or logic course might also work well for her. I would not worry too much about this -- higher math aversion isn't new and most schools (including quality LACs and universities) have made accomodations to address this.
Hiram in Ohio doesn't have a math requirement. Earlham (just over the border in Indiana) has an excellent women's studies department and their GE requirements are for "analytical and quantitative reasoning" which can be fulfilled in a number of ways besides taking an actual math class. Oberlin has similiar GE requirements that allow you to fulfill the quantitative requirement by taking chemistry, geology, certain psychology classes, even a political science class. Also check out Kenyon's requirements.
First of all, congratulations to your D on solid SAT score of 600M. (I'm a math/stats teacher). Second, both her SAT scores indicate that she should do well in AP Stats in high school or an intro stats course in college (about 80% of college majors require some statistics). Stats is a very concrete course with lots of logic and writing. It's a very interesting course - social science with math. The preparation done in 2nd year algebra is sufficient for understanding the necessary mathematics calculations/formulas. If your D is a critical thinker, likes to explain, and writes well she'll do just fine with stats.
emeraldkity4Posts: 32,803Registered UserSenior Member
I thought Reed had fairly strict requirements
Calculus is the lowest level math class offered and organic chemistry is required for even garden variety bio majors
They do have distribution reqs but for some reason math is lumped with foreign lang.
The distribution requirements required of all Reed undergraduates include breadth across disciplines and depth within each group. They are designed to ensure the broad understanding of the arts and sciences signified by a liberal arts education.
Each group calls for two units in the same discipline. No course may satisfy more than one group requirement.
Group A: literature, philosophy, and the arts
Group B: history, social sciences, and psychology
Group C: natural sciences
Group D: mathematics, logic, or foreign language or linguistics
( Reed is also nowhere near Ohio)
They also require a year long HUM110 course and have no womens ( or minority) studies classes- lots of dead white guys though.
The women's colleges however would be a sure place to major in womens studies and they don't often have distribution or graduation requirments beyond certain grade level and number of credits
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Finishing up high school, I'll have never taken pre-calculus. I took Algebra II and trigonometry last year, and this year im taking AP stats. I'm admitted to University of Chicago (If I went there, I think I will have to take two years of math, one for pre-calc and another to finish their calculus sequence, unless they allow me to just do statistics). When I interviewed at northwestern, the girl who interviewed me was a recent grad who had been a journalism and economics double major. She hadn't taken pre-calc before college either. So, as far as all of you guys are saying about needing calculus for any major other than humanities, I think that your generalizing a bit much. Even pre-med only requires that you take two semesters of calculus.
Obviously, your daughter is not going to be a math major. However, tell her that she will be amazed how different and more interesting college math can be compared to high school math, and not to shut it out completely.
With that said, any college except UofC and large Public schools will be good for somebody who wants to avoid cumbersome GE requirements.
Smith and Brown have no distribution requirements either. But, any 'ology' reserach essentially requires calc, as does a business degree from a top school. AP Stats is a good course, and I recommend it highly, but it ain't hard math (only requires a background in algebra 1).
calculus its a prereq for NW's micro econ series which is required for the major. Calc is also "strongly recommended" for their macro econ serices which is also required for the major. (I just checked their website). So, someone planning on that major would be at a significant disadvantage in course selection, until the math requirement was completed.
btw: Congrats on the UofC acceptance.
First of all, congratulations to your D on solid SAT score of 600M. (I'm a math/stats teacher). Second, both her SAT scores indicate that she should do well in AP Stats in high school or an intro stats course in college (about 80% of college majors require some statistics). Stats is a very concrete course with lots of logic and writing. It's a very interesting course - social science with math. The preparation done in 2nd year algebra is sufficient for understanding the necessary mathematics calculations/formulas. If your D is a critical thinker, likes to explain, and writes well she'll do just fine with stats.
Calculus is the lowest level math class offered and organic chemistry is required for even garden variety bio majors
They do have distribution reqs but for some reason math is lumped with foreign lang. ( Reed is also nowhere near Ohio)
They also require a year long HUM110 course and have no womens ( or minority) studies classes- lots of dead white guys though.
The women's colleges however would be a sure place to major in womens studies and they don't often have distribution or graduation requirments beyond certain grade level and number of credits