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Updated College Acceptance Rates, Waitlist Admits and Yields for Class of 2014

JohnAdams12JohnAdams12 Posts: 2,587- Senior Member
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Replies to: Updated College Acceptance Rates, Waitlist Admits and Yields for Class of 2014

  • RMLRML Posts: 5,812Registered User Senior Member
    Some schools are obviously gaming USNews to improve their ranking.



    Offered Spot on Wait List

    Amherst (Mass.) - 1,098
    Carnegie Mellon (Pa.) - 4,463
    Cornell (N.Y.) - 2,561
    Dartmouth (N.H.) - 1,800
    Duke (N.C.) - 3,381
    Emory (Ga.) - 3,113
    U. of Pennsylvania - 3,000
    Johns Hopkins (Md.) - 3,727
    Northwestern (Ill.) - 3,188
    Princeton (N.J.) - 1,451
    Rice (Tex.) - 2,521
    Stanford (Calif.) - 999
    Yale (Conn.) - 932


    pathetic!
  • aabbcc1789aabbcc1789 Posts: 931- Member
    how surprising, washu doesn't seem to have waitlist numbers...hmmm
  • sstewartsstewart Posts: 894Registered User Member
    Why is there someone that always has to bash washu, just let it be...
  • rodneyrodney Posts: 9,406Registered User Senior Member
    UDel: 593 admitted from a waitlist of 767? I guess if one is waitlisted they have a very good chance of being admitted....haha......
  • RMLRML Posts: 5,812Registered User Senior Member
    ^ Because, honestly, WashU does not deserve its place in USNews ranking.
  • aabbcc1789aabbcc1789 Posts: 931- Member
    sstewart, how exactly was i bashing washu? i was only wondering why such a selective school like washu did not provide waitlist numbers. so does your comment suggest that there is something wrong with washu not having waitlist numbers?
  • ewhoewho Posts: 1,155Registered User Senior Member
    Some schools are obviously gaming USNews to improve their ranking.
    Since yield does not matter in USNWR ranking, schools try to get the best applicants by lowering their yields.

    Only Harvard and Stanford still care about the yield, maybe Yale too. Yield/Admit ratio is a better measure.
  • ColmColm Posts: 644Registered User Member
    Why is there someone that always has to bash washu, just let it be...
    RML wrote:
    Because, honestly, WashU does not deserve its place in USNews ranking.

    RML is on the right track in the opinion of Jon Reider who is the director of college counseling at San Francisco University High School, which is one of the top high schools on the west coast. Here is Reider's take on Washington University's notorious practice of gaming the system by excessive and egregious wait listing:
    Jon Reider wrote:
    Washington University in St. Louis has notoriously huge waitlists— they won’t even tell you how long. My bet is they put over 10,000 kids on the waitlist every year for a class of 1,350. The thing is, though, they don’t count you on the waitlist until you tell them it’s your first choice. It’s a despicable practice, but it’s a popular place and they can get away with it.

    Working the system at Washu
  • IamrightIamright Posts: 40Registered User Junior Member
    The waitlist numbers are quite shocking. Some of the schools seem to be unnecessarily putting applicants on waitlists. I don't think any school should waitlist more than 1000 students (or perhaps a better formula could be devised using yield/entering class size). It's insane when there are enough students on some waitlists to make up ANOTHER freshman class.
  • momfirst3momfirst3 Posts: 1,156Registered User Senior Member
    I was wondering if anyone knows how many MIT put on their waitlist this year. Anyone?
  • ewhoewho Posts: 1,155Registered User Senior Member
    I was wondering if anyone knows how many MIT put on their waitlist this year.
    MIT waitlisted 722, and accepted 65 from the waitlist for class of 2014.
  • Sam LeeSam Lee Posts: 9,449Registered User Senior Member
    RML,

    Schools aren't using waitlist to game as long as they are not doing the following two steps in sequence:

    1. purposely underadmit,
    2. then release acceptance offers to those that accepted spots on waitlist but only count the ones that accept the acceptance offer as "admits" (hence nearly 100% yield). This is what one of the counselors was accusing WashU doing:
    The thing is, though, they don’t count you on the waitlist until you tell them it’s your first choice.

    A large waitlist pool alone doesn't automatically mean the school is doing those 2 steps mentioned. That said, if the waitlist pool is almost as large or larger than the admit pool, it obviously would be a red flag.
  • JohnAdams12JohnAdams12 Posts: 2,587- Senior Member
    Something which really stands out is Pepperdine's lowering of the acceptance rate from 41% to 30%.

    Anyone have any thoughts on why this drastic change occurred?
  • herestothenightsherestothenights Posts: 361Registered User Junior Member
    haha wow, the waitlist numbers are kind of ridiculous. i got waitlisted at elon this year, and this says that over 3,000 kids got waitlisted. Elon's class size is only like 1,300 or something like that...Kinda ridiculous how they waitlist basically everyone. Like honestly, what's the point of waitlisting that high of a number
  • xiggixiggi Posts: 22,539Registered User Senior Member
    Schools aren't using waitlist to game as long as they are not doing the following two steps in sequence:

    1. purposely underadmit,
    2. then release acceptance offers to those that accepted spots on waitlist but only count the ones that accept the acceptance offer as "admits" (hence nearly 100% yield). This is what one of the counselors was accusing WashU doing:

    Quote:
    The thing is, though, they don’t count you on the waitlist until you tell them it’s your first choice.

    A large waitlist pool alone doesn't automatically mean the school is doing those 2 steps mentioned. That said, if the waitlist pool is almost as large or larger than the admit pool, it obviously would be a red flag.

    The large waiting lists are mostly a "feel good" gestures for GC and parents who do not like outright rejections.

    Throw in a heavy reliance on the ED crutch, and you''ll be getting a clearer picture of how gaming the "system" works. If still fuzzy, just check how Duke operates, especially in the "releasing early numbers department." Speaking about releasing numbers, WashU is more known for ... not releasing anything meaningful.
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