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Johns Hopkins or UPENN for Pre-Med

nkukiller5nkukiller5 Posts: 74- Junior Member
edited September 2010 in College Search & Selection
Which one has a better pre-med program?

I would also like to major in chemistry.
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Replies to: Johns Hopkins or UPENN for Pre-Med

  • artloversplusartloversplus Posts: 5,560Registered User Senior Member
    Did you get in both? If not apply to both first.... they are all good.
  • DunninLADunninLA Posts: 4,272Registered User Senior Member
    ^ exactly my thought. It costs $100 to apply to a college, plus maybe a couple of hours to tailor the same application you would send every other college to show genuine interest.

    These questions make much more sense after you've been accepted into both and need help deciding which is a better fit for your particular circumstances.

    In case you really are new to the landscape, just about any school ranked in the USNWR top 20 will offer excellent premed training and advising... with the caveat that smaller is almost always better.

    Oh, in case you did not realize, there is no such thing as a "pre-med" major. There are about 10 courses (bio, physics, chem, calculus) that med schools like to see as core preparation, plus relevant research work and recommendations, and beyond those, a med school applicant can be an art history major who is also good in the basic sciences and scores well on the MCAT.
  • BearCubBearCub Posts: 297Registered User Junior Member
    IMO, UPENN is the better choice because it's less cut-throat and you do need good grades to get into medical schools, and also UPENN is overall a better school.
  • sstewartsstewart Posts: 894Registered User Member
    In your opinion, besides we all know who has the better lacrosse team;)
  • RMLRML Posts: 5,823Registered User Senior Member
    I heard almost everyone at JHU premed was accepted to med school many of them at JHU med school. if that's true then JHU is better.
  • nkukiller5nkukiller5 Posts: 74- Junior Member
  • DocTDocT Posts: 6,943Registered User Senior Member
    An HMS professor we know said that JHU prepares their students for medical school better than any school in the country.
  • nkukiller5nkukiller5 Posts: 74- Junior Member
    Wow seriously? Even Harvard itself?

    btw, just to clarify, HMS is harvard med school right? not some random acronym>?
  • BearCubBearCub Posts: 297Registered User Junior Member
    And another professor at HMS said that WashU prepares their students for medical school better than any school in the country. Now, are you gonna go apply to WashU? =D
  • warblersrulewarblersrule Posts: 8,730Super Moderator Senior Member
    BearCub wrote:
    IMO, UPENN is the better choice because it's less cut-throat...
    I don't know about that, but it's perhaps worth noting that Hopkins has as many med school applicants (323) as Penn (334) despite being less than half its size, so the percentage of pre-meds at Hopkins is much greater. As a chemistry major, however, I'm not sure one would notice the difference. Both departments have about 10 majors a year, and the percentage of pre-meds is probably similar in both.
    RML wrote:
    I heard almost everyone at JHU premed was accepted to med school many of them at JHU med school. if that's true then JHU is better.
    There are so many things wrong with this post!

    1) There is no way of knowing how many pre-meds at either school are accepted to medical school, for the obvious reason that many are weeded out and choose not to apply. Most schools do not track their pre-meds from day 1, so there is no way of knowing how many even get to the application stage.

    2) 63% of Hopkins applicants were accepted to at least one medical school. This is actually not as bad as it sounds, since it includes some very obviously unqualified applicants, but it is still far from "almost everyone."

    3) The percentage and stats of actually qualified Hopkins students admitted to med school seem pretty much in line with those of other elite schools. The average accepted JHU student had a 3.55 overall GPA and a 3.48 science GPA; the average accepted Duke student had a 3.55 overall GPA and a 3.38 science GPA.

    4) Hopkins graduates make up 16 students in each JHU Med class. Put another way, 1 out of every 20 med school applicants at JHU ends up at JHU Med. Most of the other elite schools send 4-5 students to Hopkins. All of this is true. It does not, however, account for the actual number of applicants and the number of admits. Again using Duke as an example, nearly 3 times as many Duke students apply to Duke Med as Hopkins Med -- and the magic number again applies, as about 1 out of every 20 med school applicants at Duke ends up at Duke Med. You would find a similar scenario for Harvard students at Harvard Med, Penn students at Penn Med, etc. Higher numbers of applicants (and thus admits) do not, however, necessarily correlate to increased chances of admission.


    I doubt there's a difference between the two. I agree with those recommending applying to both and choosing between them if you have the luxury of doing so.
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