ex0tic

Some of you might have heard of Barnard which is in association with Columbia. Anyway my cousin got into Barnard but she tells people its Columbia. Barnard is not the same as Columbia!!!!!!! Someone explain please

Skraylor

to my knowledge barnard is just an affiliated all girls school that basically students of both schools can use the other's resources...and that's about it i think...its just like a really close consortium but they are still 2 separate entities


*prefrosh, not completely informed tho

dmurphyiv

Barnard is a seperate school with a seperate faculty and admissions department. It is affiliated with Columbia, because Columbia historically was all male - in past times Barnard basically served as Columbia for girls. Now it's a highly controversial topic that seems to spark scandal every time it's mentioned, especially on this board.

Barnard is a respectable institution in it's own right, but it most definitely is not Columbia in a literal sense. Your cousin telling people she goes to Columbia when she really goes to Barnard is the kind of thing that sparks the heated debate and controversy I mentioned above. Some Columbia students take offense at Barnard girls doing this, and although I believe that they're usually grossly overreacting, she's still asking for trouble.

Columbia2002

What your cousin is doing is what plenty of Barnard girls do -- misrepresent themselves to try to pass themselves off as Columbia students (to get a job, to amuse laymen, to impress guys, etc.).

blah1111

As sad as it is, Columbia2002 is right: many (though certainly not all) Barnard girls try to pretend they go to Columbia. They are assigned a Columbia e-mail address in addition to one for Barnard, which they use to their advantage when applying for jobs online. Their diplomas will say Columbia University on them, and many will put "Columbia" (and not "Barnard") on their resumes. While it's sometimes the topic of conversation among Columbia students, no one can really openly complain about it because they don't want to promote elitism at Columbia (which, I will say tongue-in-cheek, Columbia definitely doesn't want to do at all). I certainly don't blame Barnard people for wanting to ride on Columbia's coattails, but for some people it gets a bit out of hand.

Columbia2002

Has anyone seen the Barnard diplomas? I never have. Do they actually say THE TRUSTEES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK (or the latin equivalent) at the top and look exactly like the ones that Columbia people get (SEAS, CC, Law, Business, Medicine)? Or do they just say Columbia somewhere small on them?

blah1111

http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/about/columbia.html
looks like it.

Columbia2002

That doesn't definitively answer the question, I don't think. Not clear if "the diploma of the University" is the same image that everyone else gets. I wonder if there is an image of one somewhere.

ex0tic

aparrently her acceptance letter says 'Barnard/Columbia' o.O
It makes sense for people to pass off as Columbians since Columbia is by far more prestigious, but it gets annoying when my cousin goes around saying she is going to Columbia, when really if she did apply there, she wouldnt have the stats to get admitted.

Columbia2002

It is academic dishonesty and fraud to put "Columbia U, B.A." on your resume. I've seen it, and it is quite commonplace.

oldman79

actually Barnard is a component of Columbia University. It would be fraud to say Columbia College which is not Barnard College. But I remind you of the fact that many Columbia majors are based at Barnard. The major in theater arts or Dance or example, which are listed as majors in the columbia catalog are wholly contained at Barnard. So both schools benefit from the arrangement. Columbia students can take classes freely at Barnard and vice versa. Columbia students can also live in the dorms at Barnard. I think this discussion is much a do about nothing. yes, the standards at columbia are higher than barnard but barnard chose not to be swallowed by columbia college in the mid eighties when columbia decided to go coed. As the last of the ivies to remain all men, columbia was the least selective of the ivies and realized for their survival that they had to become co-ed to be competitive with the other schools. Barnard didn't feel this pressure and decided to remain as an all women's school. Barnard's stats for the number of students that go on to get PhD's are among the highest in the country and much higher than for Columbia College.

imiracle911

lol i'm not even at columbia yet and i feel a little resentment building up already. lol i'll have to decide for myself later.

Columbia2002

This isn't what happened. The administrations of both Barnard and Columbia wanted a full merger. The Columbia faculty thwarted the merger by refusing to accept the Barnard faculty into their departments and give them full Columbia tenure. I don't think it is accurate at all to say that Barnard resisted any pressure to merge, when the exact opposite seems to have been the case.

phantom

let's drop this now, shall we? (before it becomes a spin-off of the last thread that became so inflammatory it was deleted by the mods)

collegeisfun

You have to assume that the girls at Barnard have to be quite bright to be able to keep up in Columbia classes.... so lay off of them....lol!