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06-08-2006, 08:50 PM
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Someone on another thread talked about how their mother went to an Ivy League school: Barnard. However, can Barnard really be considered a part of the Ivy League? I mean, is it a part of Columbia? I was under the impression that it was a separate entity. But what do you guys think?
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06-08-2006, 08:51 PM
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there you go. 15+ pages of discussion on whether barnard is a part of columbia.
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06-08-2006, 08:54 PM
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i'll read that right now. but now i have another question. if you attend Barnard, does your degree come from Columbia? the poster who said that her mom went to Barnard, says that her mom's degree was from Columbia.
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06-08-2006, 09:20 PM
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yes, barnard degrees do have columbia on them
no, barnard is not an undergrad school of columbia
yes, barnard is an affiliate of columbia
yes, barnard and columbia students share classes
no, barnard is not an ivy league institution
if your mother attended barnard before columbia became co-ed then her point may be undertandable since barnard girls had no other chioce but to go to barnard.
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06-08-2006, 09:21 PM
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hmmm, i don't know if his/her mom went to Barnard before the co-ed change, but i'll ask...
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06-08-2006, 10:58 PM
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
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06-08-2006, 11:41 PM
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06-08-2006, 11:56 PM
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this thread ends HERE (please!)
(see the other Barnard thread)
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06-08-2006, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia-Barnard brochure Founded in 1889, Barnard College is an independent affiliate of Columbia University. As such, it offers its students a unique combination for undergraduate study: the intimacy of a small liberal arts college for women as well as access to the vast academic, social, and athletic resources of a major research university. Located on its own campus across the street from Columbia, Barnard College maintains its own administration, admissions office, curriculum, faculty, and operating budget. Home to 2,300 undergraduate students, Barnard College boasts a curriculum that is widely regarded for its rigor and emphasis on independent thinking. The basis for the Barnard College curriculum is the Nine Ways of Knowing, and students take classes within this framework. | so obviously barnard is not a part of columbia, and columbia is the ivy, so i guess barnard is not a part of the ivy league.
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06-09-2006, 01:41 PM
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone on this, however, the link that calmon provided does somewhat clarify the discrepancy at hand. On the upper left-hand side, it states that Columbia University is comprised of Barnard, the College, and Fu. The fact that Barnard is mentioned in conjunction with the College and Fu, and the General Studies school isn’t, is indicative of Barnard's position in regards to being a part of Columbia and the Ivy-League.
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06-09-2006, 01:44 PM
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The Ivy League is just an athletics grouping. As stated by Calmom, Barnard shares Athletics with Columbia, therefore making it an Ivy League member.
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06-09-2006, 01:54 PM
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barnard girls can play for columbia. columbia is in the ivy league, barnard is not. columbia just uses barnard girls on their teams but there is no barnard TEAM in the ivy league. I dont know why they do this but a simple explanation could be that its an easy way to boost the athletic programs while maintaining strong admission stats and academics...its well documented that athletes usually do not perform as well in HS so its clearly to columbia's advantage to have some of their female team members attend barnard....I mean, come on, columbia needs to get SOMETHING out of this deal.
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06-09-2006, 04:55 PM
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it states that Columbia University is comprised of Barnard, the College, and Fu.
| No, the Columbia University COMMUNITY includes Barnard. You left out a key word. Quote: |
The fact that Barnard is mentioned in conjunction with the College and Fu, and the General Studies school isn’t
| First of all, please look up COMPRISING in the dictionary. Your body comprises two arms and a nose. That doesn't mean that you don't also have two legs.
The reason they don't mention General Studies is probably that the GS students are older and not allowed to play NCAA athletics. Quote: |
indicative of Barnard's position in regards to being a part of Columbia and the Ivy-League.
| All it indicates is that Barnard plays on Columbia sports teams. It says nothing about Barnard vs. GS.
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06-09-2006, 06:06 PM
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More quotes from the brochure I linked to:
From the cover of the tri-fold, first page on the right: Quote: |
The Columbia-Barnard Athletic Consortium -- A Unique Ivy Experience
| From the text that appars on the left: Quote:
THE COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY EXPERIENCE
Founded in 1754, Columbia University is one of the world’s premier institutions of higher learning. The Columbia University community is comprised of three main undergraduate divisions: Barnard College, Columbia College, and the Fu Foundation School of Engineering. Home to more than 7,000 undergraduates, Columbia University is located in the historic Morningside Heights neighborhood on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. Within the University community, over 95 percent of Columbia University’s undergraduate students from the three schools live on the University’s majestic and self-contained Morningside Heights campus, in housing that is guaranteed for all four years.
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From the text on the second page, left side: Quote:
THE COLUMBIA-BARNARD ATHLETIC CONSORTIUM
Under a unique agreement, women at Barnard College and the undergraduate division of Columbia University compete together as members of University-wide athletic teams. The arrangement, known as a “consortium” under NCAA rules, is one of just three in the nation and is the only one in Division I. It provides the opportunity for female students enrolled at separate colleges to compete within one athletics program under the banner of Columbia University.
Established in 1983, the Columbia-Barnard Athletic Consortium was designed to coincide with the admission of women to Columbia College. It was built upon an already established women’s athletics program at Barnard College. By building on that program, the University sought to provide all undergraduate women with the finest competitive opportunities. Both Barnard and Columbia believe that the consortium arrangement creates an athletics program within the Ivy League that is far stronger than what either institution could offer individually.
The female student-athlete at Columbia University has a wide variety of educational options to choose from. She may enroll in any of three main undergraduate divisions of the University - Barnard College, Columbia College or the Fu Foundation School of Engineering - and be eligible to compete for Columbia University teams. Undergraduate students in the School of Nursing and the School of General Studies are also eligible.
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Definition of consortium: Quote: |
an agreement, combination, or group (as of companies) formed to undertake an enterprise beyond the resources of any one member
| Source: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=consortium | |
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06-09-2006, 06:46 PM
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There are 8 Ivy League schools...Barnard is not one of them. I don't get why this is even being debated.
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