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Applying to Barnard & Columbia College??

123orange123orange Posts: 780Registered User Member
edited January 2007 in Columbia University
Hi guys,

is there a disadvantage for applying to both barnard and columbia college at the same time?
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Replies to: Applying to Barnard & Columbia College??

  • columbia2007columbia2007 Posts: 906Registered User Member
    No; many people do it.
  • Columbia2002Columbia2002 Posts: 4,529Registered User Senior Member
    Perfectly fine and normal. Every Barnard applicant also applies to CC, except for the ones who know they have no chance at getting into CC. ;)
  • Layla121986Layla121986 Posts: 391Registered User Member
    I've always wondered about this. Barnard and Columbia do have a really weird, poorly defined relationship--students are cross-registered and graduate at the same ceremony, but Barnard has its own President etc. Can Barnard and Columbia talk to one another about which girls have applied to both? If so, wouldn't that be a disadvantage? I figure that if a girl is qualified for Columbia but willing to go to Barnard, Barnard will take her and Columbia will take another girl who is equally if not more qualified, but didn't apply to Barnard. I have no idea if this is true, I'm just wondering.

    Another question--does ANYONE ever pick Barnard over CC? If so, why the hell?
  • mardadmardad Posts: 1,119Registered User Senior Member
    BC and CC have separate committees. They probably don't communicate with each other about particular candidates. Remember they have a lot of applicants and barely enough time to read the applications. That being said, they very likely read into your essays etc. for interest in their particular college and whether you would thrive with what they offer.
    The same activities are available to students of both campuses. I would draw your attention to the respective core curricula. CC's, appropriately called "the core", is quite demanding and focused on the development of western culture, music etc with some non western thrown in. BC's core is more of a dispersal requirement called "the nine ways of knowing". This can be demanding or not so demanding depending on your selection of classes but very personalized. I would visit the web sites of both colleges to read up on these "core curricula". These should be your major selection criteria. For electives one can register at both campuses with relative ease. Most student groups have students from both campuses. I have no idea about the relative comfort of the dorms at CC. At BC I found them very nice but not luxurious.
  • mockfrogmockfrog Posts: 68Registered User Junior Member
    Is it fair to say that the BC curriculum and faculty is more progressive than CC?
  • dolphins3636dolphins3636 Posts: 144Registered User Junior Member
    someone just told me in another forum on here that there's actually a disadvantage to applying to both.
  • College GradCollege Grad Posts: 77Registered User Junior Member
    There is no disadvantage in applying to both. Each school has its own admissions criteria and process. There is no coordination between the schools as to selecting or reviewing their applicants.

    As for anyone choosing Barnard over Columbia, I suggest you post that question on the Barnard forum. Studying at Barnard seems to be a very unique experience for those choosing to go there and the Barnard women I met while at CU seem to have been very excited about being there. If I wanted to attend an all-women school, I think Barnard would be great choice personally. Barnard students also play on the Columbia sports teams.
  • Columbia2002Columbia2002 Posts: 4,529Registered User Senior Member
    . Can Barnard and Columbia talk to one another about which girls have applied to both?

    Separate admissions department in a separate building. They coordinate at all, as others have said.
    Another question--does ANYONE ever pick Barnard over CC? If so, why the hell?

    I don't know any BC girls who have, and I don't personally know anyone who knows any BC girls who have. We had flame wars over this, and a couple people on here claim to know "someone" at BC who got into CC. I have my doubts about such claims.
    Is it fair to say that the BC curriculum and faculty is more progressive than CC?

    No. They're both very progressive, and there's really no difference in that respect.
  • columbia2007columbia2007 Posts: 906Registered User Member
    The dorm rooms at Barnard do not feel more comfortable, per se. But the lobbies can be cozy and the guards are far, far friendlier and more seem to be more in tune with residents.
  • monydadmonydad Posts: 6,258Registered User Senior Member
    FWIW, my daughter's has applied ED to Barnard. If she doesn''t get in, she *may* decide to apply to Columbia; not sure. She loves NY but prefers Barnard to Columbia in most respects.

    She, at least, would be a person selecting Barnard over Columbia; a decision made pre-emptively at the application stage. So there's one for you.

    whether she's fortunate enough to get into either remains to be seen. They have both become rather selective.
  • ShrafShraf Posts: 2,403Registered User Senior Member
    Another question--does ANYONE ever pick Barnard over CC? If so, why the hell?

    we are NOT gonna get into THIS again.....please!
  • Columbia2002Columbia2002 Posts: 4,529Registered User Senior Member
    She, at least, would be a person selecting Barnard over Columbia; a decision made pre-emptively at the application stage. So there's one for you.

    Selecting/picking CU over BC means getting into both and actually having the option to attend either.
  • monydadmonydad Posts: 6,258Registered User Senior Member
    "If so, why the hell?"

    In our case, she has visited both campuses, thought about respective environments, class sizes, distribution requirements vs. specified core curriculum. She prefers an LAC environment to a university environment, overall, for the same reasons many LAC applicants prefer them. She considered the fact that one of her primary fields of interest is entirely housed at Barnard.

    Also, she has drawn some unfortunate conclusions based on some people she knows who are at Columbia and others that are applying there; she finds these individuals to be rather arrogant,full of themselves, excessive hubris, and prefers to limit her exposure to them to the extent feasible. It's unfortunate that she would come to such conclusions based on a small sample of individuals, but there it is. A lesser consideration I suspect, but she has mentioned this.
  • monydadmonydad Posts: 6,258Registered User Senior Member
    "Selecting/picking CU over BC means getting into both and actually having the option to attend either"

    Given her preference for Barnard, it was deemed inappropriate to wait to RD to hope to gain admission. Admission to Barnard is quite selective; RD seems a dicier proposition, for many such selective schools today, including Columbia. Under such circumstances, it seems logical to me that many people with such an indentified preference would apply to Barnard ED, for whatever admissions advantage it may offer (in addition to getting the process over with). These people will consequently not apply to both schools. Hopefully my daughter will not end up having to apply to both, but if she does, I can tell you with certainty that she prefers Barnard.

    The most definitive college preferences are made at the application stage, before the selection stage. If you really "dis-prefer" a college you won't even apply to it. In many cases this can be considered a more complete rejection than selecting one over the other of the schools you actually thought enough of apply to.
  • Columbia2002Columbia2002 Posts: 4,529Registered User Senior Member
    Someone who has the stuff for Columbia will undoubtedly be able to get into Barnard -- ED or RD -- provided that they show some interest in Barnard (i.e., no yield-protecting rejection). As such, someone who is inclined to put their eggs towards ED to Barnard is making a calculated decision about their chances of getting into Barnard ED versus getting in RD, and weighing the alternatives (i.e., what will the options be for them in the RD pools at other schools). There's absolutely no basis to conclude that the Barnard ED pool has "rejected" Columbia in favor of Barnard, when the far more appropriate conclusion to draw is that those students made a strategic decision in order to maximize their chances of getting into *either* Columbia or Barnard.
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