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Which is better Columbia SEAS or Cornell SEAS?

zebrastripeszebrastripes Posts: 137Registered User Junior Member
edited March 2008 in Columbia University
so yeah......
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Replies to: Which is better Columbia SEAS or Cornell SEAS?

  • SkraylorSkraylor Posts: 1,391Registered User Senior Member
    which is better, a red grape or a white one?
  • mikesownmikesown Posts: 483Registered User Member
    In short:

    SEAS if you're interested in math and science with a liberal arts "twist"

    CC if you're interested solely in liberal arts
  • seniors2008seniors2008 Posts: 77Registered User Junior Member
    Do you want to live in New York City or Ithaca?
  • halbhalbhalbhalb Posts: 57Registered User Junior Member
    mikesown:
    congratulations on not answering the question.

    From what I have read, Columbia SEAS is more of a liberal arts approach to engineering. You still get in hardcore science/math, but there is the SEAS core to balance it out. Cornell SEAS is ranked higher and focuses more exclusively on science/math (although I am sure there is still distribution requirements in liberal arts). The schools in general are so different that you should decide based on whether you want a large school in Ithaca or a small school in NY.
  • confidentialcollconfidentialcoll Posts: 2,491Registered User Senior Member
    If you're sure about engineering i'd say cornell for everything except maybe chem E and BME. If you're not sure about engineering as a career, then columbia, it's pretty good for engineering, but it's great if you want to find a job on wall street / go to med or law school. Columbia is also in new york (decide whether or not you want that over ithaca, most prefer nyc), and columbia's engineers are more rounded, with the majority not ultimately working as engineers. Columbia doesn't get worse engineering students though, if you look at SAT scores, acceptance rates, and % of students in the top 10% of their graduating class, columbia seas might actually do better than cornell eng. But the two school are geared differently.
  • Columbia2002Columbia2002 Posts: 4,529Registered User Senior Member
    Do you want to live in New York City or Ithaca?

    Yep. That's it.
  • muerteapablomuerteapablo Posts: 1,412- Senior Member
    Nice try confidentialcoll, Cornell engineering destroys Columbia SEAS in quality of undergraduates as well as true engineering education. We're a baby-step down from MIT. Just look at the rankings. I have 7 friends from NY who chose Cornell over Columbia because they know it's a much better program. There's even an engineer I know who got into Brown and decided to come here.
    This is the only engineering school that still manages to beat MIT at tech competitions.
  • confidentialcollconfidentialcoll Posts: 2,491Registered User Senior Member
    "Cornell engineering destroys Columbia SEAS in quality of undergraduates as well as true engineering education"

    as i said in terms of offering students a pure engineering education cornell is better in almost all disciplines, but in terms of quality of undergrads sadly it isn't the case, look at SAT scores, top % of HS class, acceptance rate.

    "I have 7 friends from NY who chose Cornell over Columbia because they know it's a much better program"

    yea no s*it sherlock, if you're at cornell that's all you can guage, not the whole other side of the story, if they had spent their whole lives in the city there's a good chance they might have wanted to leave, i've met more than 7 at columbia who've chosen columbia seas over cornell, wanting the sort of education and environment columbia offered for its engineers. so it's a meaningless point of discussion. You have to look at numbers not your or my shallow set of experiences.

    "There's even an engineer I know who got into Brown and decided to come here."

    and that would say what?

    "This is the only engineering school that still manages to beat MIT at tech competitions."

    again cornell is a better school if you're sure you want to do engineering as a career. And most tech competitions play to cornell's strengths, they usually revolve around mech E, comp sci and EE.
  • DenzeraDenzera Posts: 3,371Registered User Senior Member
    I went to SEAS because, while I was good at science and math, I greatly enjoyed many other disciplines. In my view, Columbia is a more well-rounded education in general. I could get my A's in science/math classes while still taking a bunch of really interesting liberal-arts classes in history, polisci, philosophy, sociology, CS, etc.

    An engineering degree is a good preparation for many things besides just engineering. The majority of Cornell SEAS students go into actual engineering jobs. The majority of Columbia SEAS students do not.
  • muerteapablomuerteapablo Posts: 1,412- Senior Member
    Confidentialcoll, you're mad silly.

    "look at SAT scores, top % of HS class."

    Impossible to do either of these things, as Cornell does not list SAT scores by college. You can only look at the average for all schools at Cornell.
    "Cornell University also does not have average SAT scores available by college." - Dear Uncle Ezra - Questions for Thursday, February 28, 2008 - Cornell University

    So, nice try again. Still, I'm not upset by your foolishness, so you shouldn't be at what you perceive as mine.

    Also, Cornell engineering acceptance rate might be quite high, this is true, but the group of applicants is extremely self-selective.
    Case in point - I have a high school friend who was rejected by Cornell but accepted to MIT. True story.
    Clearly, acceptance rates in a vacuum tell you very little of the story.
  • lvilleslackerlvilleslacker Posts: 345Registered User Member
    i just find it amusing you pull this self-selective applicants defense when you're defending your own engineering school's acceptance rate, yet try to attack columbia seas for the very same thing. perhaps some consistency is in order?
  • MentorMentor Posts: 31Registered User New Member
    From his responses in this thread and from others, it appears as though meurteapablo has some sort of unhealthy obsession with bashing Columbia.

    Also, he makes no sense.
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 1,318Registered User Senior Member
    Hahha muerteapablo

    "Case in point - I have a high school friend who was rejected by Cornell but accepted to MIT. True story."

    If you already didn't know, various college acceptances don't mean anything. Someone got rejected from Harvard for economics but accepted by MIT? So that means Harvard's econ program is better than Yale's? Your logic makes no sense.
  • confidentialcollconfidentialcoll Posts: 2,491Registered User Senior Member
    muerteapablo, though i begin to feel you will call me foolish regardless of what i say, i will try again:

    "Also, Cornell engineering acceptance rate might be quite high, this is true, but the group of applicants is extremely self-selective"

    this is eqaully if not more applicable to columbia seas, columbia college's acceptance rate is 9% and the seas acceptance rate is 18%, showing you that though the school are practically the same in terms of quality of student, and opportunity durning and after college, applicants tend to shy away from engineering, for what ever reason, so self selectivity is not especially true for cornell eng.

    "Cornell does not list SAT scores by college. You can only look at the average for all schools at Cornell."

    i realize this, but columbia seas's sat scores are comparable to MIT's (where the majority are engineering or pure science), range of around 1390-1540 for seas, and 1380-1560 for MIT.

    College Search - Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®

    this might offend your sensitivities, but numbers unfortunately don't lie, this is why i say that the averge student who comes to columbia seas is very much comparable if not superior to the average cornell engineering student. the rankings don't measure this, the rankings look at engineering only for it's traditional purposes, and here we agree that cornell on balance is a better school for pure engineering, and you should go there if you're sure that's the set of industries you wish to work in.
  • UriA702UriA702 Posts: 965Registered User Member
    muerteapablo - It's pretty hard to compare the two schools considering the vast differences in environment. A lot of students choose Columbia over Cornell because they want a city life. Respectively, A lot of Cornell students choose Cornell because it's a closer relation to the "college experience."

    confidentialcoll brings up some very valid points, rankings don't mean *****. As far as I know, nobody chooses a university based on rankings, rather location, reputation and cost. Columbia is a top notch education which appeals to students who want a fast paced city life with many business opportunities. Cornell offers a top notch education as well, no doubt about it. However, the location plays a huge factor, Cornell students are typically more research-oriented.

    FU students don't usually go into engineering because of all the opportunities around them in NY. The opportunities are endless and many will take a non-engineering job because of the increased salary, which is perhaps the biggest factor in making that decision when you live in New York, due to the astronomical cost of living. Sure, Cornell engineering has top caliber, first tier engineering students, but Columbia students are just as bright, and more importantly, the education at both schools are as good of an education as you can get, deeming this whole argument irrelevant.

    Both have pros and cons relevant to the other. It's just stupid to argue one over the other, because both are great.

    One more thing. Take a statistics class the "I know a ton of people who chose Cornell over Columbia" is probably the weakest argument you can make. Cornell students obviously choose Cornell over Columbia or else they wouldn't be at Cornell.
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