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Columbia Class of 2012 Acceptance Rates

s snacks snack Posts: 1,050Registered User Senior Member
edited April 2008 in Columbia University
Columbia College: 8.7% (lower than all but H and Y, I think)
SEAS: 17.6% (lower than all engineering but MIT and possibly Caltech)
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  • confidentialcollconfidentialcoll Posts: 2,491Registered User Senior Member
    "SEAS: 17.6% (lower than all engineering but MIT and possibly Caltech)"

    unlikely, very few schools publish acceptance rates for their individual engineering school, I imagine stanford's is lower. But perhaps noone else.

    "Columbia College: 8.7% (lower than all but H and Y, I think)"

    CC beat Yale last year, after waitlist activity H beat CC.

    Columbia overall is 10.0%, we might have beaten princeton for the first time this year :)
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    CC beat Yale last year, after waitlist activity H beat CC.

    Except as you just mentioned before that, other schools don't pull out their engineering data. That includes Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth etc.

    When you compare Columbia's numbers against other schools you have to combine CC and SEAS at the very least.
  • DenzeraDenzera Posts: 3,371Registered User Senior Member
    to be fair, other schools (except Cornell) don't have explicit engineering schools, with the self-selected applicant pools that come along with them. it's not disingenuous to compare admit rates across the liberal-arts colleges.
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    Well, the only schools you can compare CC directly to are Penn and Cornell CAS. (Penn also has a distinct engineering school if I'm not mistaken).

    The other 5 ivies (particularly the ones in question here, HYP) have engineering programs, but they're all rolled into "the college" at the respective university. So if you're going to do a head to head with HPY, you have to use the combined statistics.
  • s snacks snack Posts: 1,050Registered User Senior Member
    Also, though, you'd have to consider that Columbia has significantly more engineering students than HYP, Brown, Dartmouth, etc. So whereas HYP's higher engineering acceptance rates don't make a huge impact on acceptance rate, Columbia's number does.
  • lvilleslackerlvilleslacker Posts: 345Registered User Member
    ssnack is right - princeton is the only other "integrated" school which has a significant engineering population.
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    All I'm saying is that the programs exist. Just because they don't have as much of an impact on the rates at other schools doesn't mean you should discount them at Columbia.

    That idea that Columbia should use one rate to compare against Cornell Penn and Princeton and another against the other 4 ivies strikes me as numbers manipulation worthy of a Wash U booster.
  • hollyd313hollyd313 Posts: 27Registered User New Member
    Question: does anyone know the acceptance rate of RD admits to Columbia College? Or is that getting too nit-picky?
  • NapilopezNapilopez Posts: 6Registered User New Member
    Do you mean the enrollment rate?
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    The RD admit was 8.36% combined, 7.1% for CC and 15.3% for SEAS.

    CC (Total - ED = RD)
    Apps 19116 - 2162 = 16954
    Admits 1660 - 455 = 1205

    SEAS (Total - ED = RD)
    Apps 3463- 420 = 3043
    Admits 609 - 142 = 467

    ED data taken from here: Early Decision Admit Rates Fall | Columbia Spectator
  • lvilleslackerlvilleslacker Posts: 345Registered User Member
    actually, the fact that they don't have much impact on other schools' rates is EXACTLY WHY we do discount them at columbia. apples to apples.
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    Apples to apples then? We should go department by department and normalize across all schools to account for discipline differential between the humanities, social sciences, and natural sciences between the schools.

    You just can't do it.

    In terms of comparing school to school, the only numbers that matter are what it takes to become an undergraduate at said school. Of course there's a whole 'nother can of worms here (GS).
  • lvilleslackerlvilleslacker Posts: 345Registered User Member
    except you don't apply for specific majors in the us. they do that in the uk system, and compare rates like you described.

    the thing with engineering schools is that applicants tend to self select, so they distort the numbers that show "what it takes to become an undergraduate". this doesn't happen so much at cas (except chicago) which is why the value of that rate is more consistent across schools.
  • ConfucianNemisisConfucianNemisis Posts: 285Registered User Junior Member
    Leaving HY aside, in order to get a meaningful comparison against P, which not only has over 150 engineering majors a year, but is considered a better engineering school than Columbia, you'd need to use the combined rate, correct? But then you'd use a different rate against HY? Does P use a different rate against HY?
  • herenowherenow Posts: 69Registered User Junior Member
    penn isn't considered better engineering than columbia. take us news ratings with a grain of salt, but for graduate engineering:

    cornell > princeton > columbia > harvard > penn
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