universityin2015

I read a lot about the argument between Coulter and Olberman about Cornell CALS being not very prestigious and the people who say that College of Arts & Sciences is the only real ivy league college at cornell. I did some research and see that Cornell CAS is the most selective at Cornell of the large colleges, according to the stats released by Cornell.

http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf

looks like it has the lowest admission rate of the cornell colleges. I want to go to CALS, but don't want to feel like inferior student. I read that Cornell students say that everyone is treated the same no matter what college you are in at Ithaca campus. are they just saying that? if you are in the state contract schools is that looked down upon? do the students in CAS feel like they are superior to everyone else at the school?
from the numbers here at cc, it looks like accepted students in arts and sciences have much higher numbers than students accepted at other cornell colleges, but engineering is similar to arts. But I still think Cornell CALS is a very good school, just don't want to be stuck at a school where some students are looked at as better than other students.
what do you think?
Jay Kim

Engineerjw

Cornell is a great university and you will not be inferior for going there in any way. Perhaps a certain group of novice, elitist people think of Cornell CALS as inferior, but believe me, it is not. Every part of Cornell is very well respected and if you were to actually go there you would see this.

Discrimination and snobby groupings happen in every university, just like in high school - it is silly. When you enter the real world, no one, if anyone did before, will ostracize you for going to CALS and an Ivy League school. Anyone who insults the CALS is simply ignorant or just a pathetically narrow-minded student obsessed with fake reputations.

universityin2015

thank you, but listening to that reporter make cornell cals seem like such a weak and not selective school, I was not sure. You make good points.
are you at cornell engineerjw?

Galerie

Most of the students here are like yourself, with no intentions of looking down upon others. If anyone treats you in a condescending way (which can happen anywhere), they aren't worth it. There are PLENTY of students here who are friendly and not even remotely stuck-up.

With that said, I'm not really sure if you can trust that source/report saying that only CAS is the only real ivy league college at Cornell... I'm sure ALL the colleges here are GREAT. For example, the Cornell Engineering School is arguably the best engineering college of the ivy league schools (it has high acceptance rates due to its self-selective applicant pool).

Statistics don't really mean much in the end. It's what you make of yourself during your four years here.

Basically, you have nothing to worry about.

faustarp

no one thinks you are a lesser student for being in CALS...if you said that on campus it would be generally considered ridiculous. it's not even said in jest or anything. (I am a current CALS student.)

universityin2015

thanks guys!
it was this video that I was talking about - middle of the screen msnbc.com video

Keith Olbermann, Ann Coulter Battle Over Cornell Alumni Status (VIDEO)

TheSternLock

I agree that Anne Coulter is one of the worst people in the world. D:<

dontfeedsparky

wow that was kind of ridiculous to read. let me enlighten you; Cornell's engineering is unbelievably strong, AAP (architecture) is arguably their most selective school, CALS has the famous AEM major which ranks in top for business and is known for strong agricultural/eco programs that make Cornell famous for being green. The hotel school is the best hotel school in the WORLD, and ILR has incredible history/business/prelaw studies. to be honest, I think CAS is one of the less famous of the 7, so it's ridiculous to even think that it's superior to the other 6. the others are just as hard to get into; pulling a **** portfolio will still get you rejected, and they still have ivy league standards. if you feel you're a fit to CALS, apply CALS - CAS will just be a dead end. Cornell is all about fit.

And I'm a proud member of Cornell CALS class of 15

dontfeedsparky

also watch keith's video it's absolutely on the spot. CALS is just as selective as CAS, and to be honest, both average SAT acceptances out of 1600 for both schools are higher than 1325 right now.

TheSternLock

I have many friends in the non-CAS schools of Cornell and they constantly tell me how the university has a loving community between all the schools.

Employers aren't stupid, either. A Cornell degree is a Cornell degree.

As Olberman conveyed, Cornell has a very open-university policy and everyone is allowed to take classes in the other schools. It's unlike Wharton and the rest of Penn. (Penn's other schools are still awesome, but Wharton is just that prestigious.)

norcalguy

Ann Coulter is not a reporter.

TheSternLock

I looked her up. She's known to be craaaaazy.

YouTube - Ann Coulter Is A Complete Idiot

dontfeedsparky

she really is. I skimmed her website she makes a living trashing liberals. and she's stupid enough to say that people go to CALS to become farmers -_- you don't only learn agricultural studies at CALS, and ag studies def doesn't mean a future in farming. she's like an actual idiot idk how she graduated with honors from Cornell.

TheSternLock

"Coulter helped found The Cornell Review"
Oh God..

universityin2015

sparky, ok, I was just going by the stats published by Cornell that show it has a very high selectivity, compared to some of the state endowed schools.
http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf
there are many posts here that say the arts and sciences college at cornell is most like admissions to the other ivy league schools in terms of selectivity and test scores, but still not nearly as selective according to the numbers
many american universities are ver competitive to get in
The stats that cornell does show is that CAS is a very selective admissions and by far the most applications. People here at cc say that while cornell is a very low selection choice of students admitted at other ivys or top schools, the few that do choose cornell over the others choose arts & science. maybe because other ivy and top universities are mostly arts and sciences colleges.
I'm not going to bash any school. I like CALS and their programs. But I would never say that CAS even if it is the hardest to get into and the original cornell college is a dead end or anything like that. I think most of the famous people, like the supreme court justice that went there were mostly from arts and sciences. the tour lead said it is the original college at cornell and the most difficult for entrance.
not fair to say that CALS is only a college for farmers.
But I think you are right. it's all about fit. CALS is definitely a fit school, and for students interested in Agriculture and those kinds of subjects, it is probably one of the best in the world, I/M/O. I think it is a great college in a great university. no matter what Coulter says.
tour lead said that having state funding does not make CALS a state school even though people call it the state school at cornell, same for ecology school