Wharton11

any reply would be appreciated.

yanarchy

Probably pretty hard. I highly doubt there's more than a dozen of spaces. It varies each year. Sometimes they'll have a few, sometimes they'll have none.

Dartmouth doesn't have undergrad business, but we have an economics major where you must concentrate in two of the following:
Industrial Organization, International Economics, Labor Economics, Money and Finance, Public Economics.

We place grads into top i-banks just as well as Wharton (especially considering our size). Plus, there are opportunities with Tuck, a top five business school (or top ten depending on what you emphasize more).

Wharton11

ok and does it matter if you take 4 courses versus 5? What factor is most importnat in admissions? Surely it couldnt be harder to get into than wharton?

How's Brown's transfer rate?

Big Brother 1984

I think there were about 40 transfers last year. Nevertheless, 3 of them (including my host, and the girl that basically lives with one of the guys) all roomed near the cluster where I was at.

Just to clarify, we're not as good as Wharton, and only truly a handful of people per class will ever make it into what I would consider a top Investment bank/Consulting firm - but you'll get that everywhere. However, the finance job placement itself is quite generous, so long as you actually use your network.

I'm pretty sure that's what you wanted to hear.

Big Brother 1984

Alright dude, don't ask us about Brown. I don't know what's to compare between 4 and 5 classes - you could be taking underwater basket weaving for all I know.

sybbie719

In 2006, there were 342 transfer applications. 43 students were admitted and 29 enrolled. Since this years class (2011) was over enrolled (Dartmouth did not even go to the waitlist) unless there is a mass exodus of freshmen leaving, it will be harder to come in next year as a transfer student.

A student usually takes 3 classes per term. You have 3 opportunities to take 4 classes.

Resume Drop (on-campus recruiting for jobs after graduation) for the 8's started last month. Participating companies include:

BLACKSTONE GROUP
CRA INTERNATIONAL
JPMORGAN CHASE
LAZARD / Investment Banking Group
MCNAMEE LAWRENCE & CO. (IB)
MERCATOR PARTNERS, LLC (consulting)
THOMAS WEISEL PARTNERS (IB)
WELLINGTON MANAGEMENT COMPANY, LLP.(IB)
WILLIAM BLAIR AND CO. / Corporate Finance
BEAR STEARNS & CO., INC. / Fixed Income
BEAR STEARNS & CO., INC./Public Finance
BRIDGEWATER ASSOCIATES
JPMORGAN / Investment Bank
MERRILL LYNCH / Investment Banking
FIDELITY INVESTMENTS - INVESTMENT RESEARCH / Investment Research
FIDELITY INVESTMENTS - INVESTMENT RESEARCH (trading)
FIDELITY MANAGEMENT AND RESEARCH / High Income/Fixed Income
MORGAN STANLEY / Sales and Trading Analyst
MORGAN STANLEY /Investment Banking analyst
SEMPRA COMMODITIES
ALTMAN VILANDRIE & CO – Consulting
GOLDMAN, SACHS & CO. -SECURITIES NEW ANALYST
GOLDMAN, SACHS & CO. INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT NEW ANALYST
GOLDMAN, SACHS & CO. INVESTMENT BANKING
MDT ADVISERS
CITI / Capital Markets S&O
CITI/ FINANCE ANALYST
LOUIS DREYFUS CORPORATION / Soft Commodities
MORGAN STANLEY /INVESTMENT BANKING ANALYST (NY & Boston)
BLACKROCK
BOSTON CONSULTING GROUP
FIDELITY INVESTMENTS
LEK CONSULTING
PYRAMID RESEARCH
VISTA RESEARCH, A STANDARD & POOR'S BUSINESS
Credit Suisse First Boston Corp. / Fixed Income Sales & Trading
INVESTOR GROUP SERVICES (IGS)
CIBC WORLD MARKETS / Investment and Corporate Banking
CITI/OPERATIONS ANALYST
LEHMAN BROTHERS / Sales & Trading or Equity Research
LEHMAN BROTHERS/CAPITAL MARKETS: SECURITIZATION BANKING
PARTHENON GROUP
REVOLUTION PARTNERS, LLC
BAIN & COMPANY
DEAN & COMPANY
BLOOMBERG
OLIVER WYMAN / General Management Consulting
BRIDGEWATER ASSOCIATES
OLIVER WYMAN
MCKINSEY AND COMPANY
BARCLAYS CAPITAL
NERA ECONOMIC CONSULTING
NORTHBRIDGE GROUP (THE) / Energy And Utilities Consulting
CAMBRIDGE ASSOCIATES / Alternative Assets Research
Eaton Corporation / Corporate Technology
MONTGOMERY & CO. LLC / Investment Banking
PUTNAM ASSOCIATES, INC.
SAVVIAN ADVISORS
Simon-Kucher & Partners
Bain Capital / Ventures
CARNEY, SANDOE & ASSOCIATES
CONSTELLATION ENERGY / Constellation Energy Commodities Grp
GRAIL PARTNERS LLC / Investment Banking
IMS Health
FORESTER CAPITAL, L.L.C

posterX

"Just to clarify, we're not as good as Wharton"

I would disagree. Wharton may be great for graduate-level business, but the most successful business leaders do a BA first (often from Dartmouth) and an MBA later. Consider the following figures from Susan Caminiti's study, "Where the CEOs Went to College", in Fortune Magazine.

Top undergraduate producers of Fortune 500 CEOs
1. Yale 43
2. Princeton 32
3. Harvard 25
4. Northwestern 19
5. Dartmouth 15

Per capita-wise, the ranking was 1. Yale, 2. Princeton, 3. Washington & Lee, 4. Harvard, 5. Dartmouth. UPenn, including Wharton, did not crack the top 10.

bluebayou

"Does Dartmouth have undergrad biz?" No, but econ is an extremely popular major and, as noted by the recruiters on campus, not having an undergrad biz doesn't seem to hurt. btw: many top B-schools do not offer undergrad biz degrees, not S, not H, not Y. Yes, Wharton, Stern and MIT offer undergrad degrees, as does Cornell, but its thru CALS and looks more interdisciplinary to my eyes.

Dionysus

Dartmouth alums founded 4 of the top 7 private equity groups... Penn? 0.

posterX

Nobody wants a CEO who did "undergrad biz." They want a CEO who is good at a lot of other things, such as Shakespeare, history of the early American West, econometrics, or computational bioinformatics.

I would avoid "undergrad biz" programs altogether if I were you (just as I would avoid "undergrad journalism") and concentrate on getting into the best BA program you can, ideally HYP, MIT, Caltech, Dartmouth, or AWWWS.

galwain626

Big Brother 1984 said:

Just to clarify, we're not as good as Wharton, and only truly a handful of people per class will ever make it into what I would consider a top Investment bank/Consulting firm - but you'll get that everywhere. However, the finance job placement itself is quite generous, so long as you actually use your network.


How can that be? I thought Dartmouth econ majors were highly sought after?

Big Brother 1984

I have to keep asking myself, "Where do people keep coming up with this garbage?" posterX, you're a grad student. I thought you would've known better than to cite statistics that fundamentally have nothing to do with yanarchy's initial claims. There's a big difference between corporate management and banking/management consulting. The latter is for whatever reasons, more desirable to the given Ivy League student.

But you said so yourself: The most successful business leaders get a BA first and an MBA second. OK, so let's talk about that. From the HBS matriculation data set that CC poster sakky cited several months ago, HYPSM and the University of Pennsylvania all have the greatest numbers of people coming into HBS from their respective alma maters. Dartmouth is 7th in terms of HBS matriculations, which is still pretty good mind you, but if we're "as good" as UPenn proper, I fail to see it.

Hey, I love Dartmouth too. But it does no good to delude ourselves with stuff that is simply not true. Also, the perception that an Ivy League student comes in, does the minimum required, and gets a top finance job upon graduation is such an overblown delusion that the sooner ya'll wake up from your stupidity and arrogance (which is a form of stupidity), the better off you'll be.

Sure Dartmouth econ majors have it fairly good, but you galwain, and I probably differ between what's a top banking/consulting firm. It's all a matter of opinion and while I see the likes of Goldman and McKinsey as highly preferable, you might beg to differ.

Just to extend on someone else's post, it doesn't exactly matter what type of major/program you take part in, or whether it's pre-professional or not, so long as you at least have a hard brand name to market yourself with. In this regard, Wharton beats out Dartmouth. I'm pretty sure slipper can back me up on this one.

kyler242

posterX, will you please post a link to the article/study you are referring to? I can’t find anything with those rankings anywhere online.