Emory ED

iWorkHard87 · 10-21-2009, 09:59 PM

It seems as if the best chance I have into Emory would be to apply ED.

But the problem is that my family doesn't have much money, so we'd be relying pretty much on financial aid to send me to school.

Now if I apply ED and get accepted...I'm forced to go there right even if it's very hard to pay for?

Can anyone give me a simple solution for this?

Btw, while we're here, can someone chance me too?

3.62 Unweighted
3.97 Weighted
I've taken quite quite a few honors classes. Took AP US Junior year, and I'm taking 4 APs my senior year.

1950/2400
1340/1600

Right now, but I'm legit expecting to get somewhere around a 2100, maybe a bit higher. Probably around a 1420ish/1600.

Thanks in advance.

iWorkHard87 · 10-23-2009, 09:12 PM

can anyone help? or give me an estimate?

my family income is about 35k a year.

melin720 · 10-23-2009, 09:15 PM

You have a slim chance of getting into Emory.

So don't worry about money.

helloem · 10-23-2009, 09:43 PM

im not sure because im worried myself, but my simple solution about the tuition is to join ROTC (Army).. they pay for you full tuition, in return you need to serve active military for four years.

iWorkHard87 · 10-23-2009, 09:59 PM

@melin720

so are you just saying i shouldn't even apply? and i don't know why you say that because my UW gpa is just a little lower than their mid 50, and if i get a 1420, that is their mid 50.

btw what you just said is a logical fallacy. those two don't relate at all. even though i have a slim chance, even if i get in, money would matter if it was ED. thanks for your help.

melin720 · 10-24-2009, 10:08 AM

Your rigor of secondary record is TOO WEAK that's why you won't get in. There are others who take over 15 APs and still don't get in with similar unweighted GPA, while you decided to either slack or not take the initiative to challenge yourself further with only 5 APs total...

rodney · 10-24-2009, 10:40 AM

^^melin: nothing like making an assumption you have absolutely no knowledge about.....some schools ONLY have 6 AP's offered; some schools actually require some sort of admittance into any AP courses.....are you trying to say that everyone accepted/enrolled at Emory has 12-16 AP courses? give me a break.....

Do not assume someone "decided to slack or not challenge yourself further".....you are not on CC long enough to realize this so you are hereby forgiven....

melin720 · 10-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Ohh, okay, so you're saying that I should move to a high school that only offers 5 AP courses and get the same standing as the other school that offers 15 AP courses? That they'll place me (5 AP) in the same line as the 15 AP kid?

Give me a break. Unless you're saying that he gets off easy because of his high school... he could've went to college and took duel enrollment over the summer. Not to mention he didn't get striaght A's either.

Quit blaming the school. What if the school has no AP? Admit the guy with only honors in high school and reject the other who took 15/20 AP classes with lower GPA and say, "oh, wait, the 15 AP kid did not take the most rigorous courseload and has lower GPA, while the honors guy took the most rigorous course and has higher GPA."

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melin720 · 10-24-2009, 11:19 AM

I guess you're saying that if you go to a high school that offers 15+ APs and IB program to students are screwed, huh, now that they are forced to take IB (most rigorous) and suffer 6 college-level courses in 11th grade, 6 in 12th, with 5 honors in freshman and 2 AP, 3 honors in freshman and sophmore years (pre-IB) just to get the "most rigorous" checked off and get in Emory. That's a total of 14 college-level classes and 8 Honors. Not to mention IB has 60%+ dropouts and is very competitive.

What if that IB kid gets a 3.3 GPA? I'd take the IB kid over this 3.5 5-AP guy any day.

Nighthawk17 · 10-24-2009, 11:54 AM

I read somewhere that if you apply ED and are accepted, but your financial aid package is insufficient for you to attend, you are excused from the otherwise binding commitment to attend. I'm sure that you can research that issue on the internet, or make some calls. As for your chances, you have a decent shot at being accepted if you write strong essays and show demonstrated interest. The only sure way of knowing is to apply. Why not apply to Oxford as well?

melin720 · 10-24-2009, 12:12 PM

K, enough with ranting, here are some stuff you wanna know.

If you get accepted by ED, yes, you can wiggle out of the agreement if the financial aid package doesn't stack up, but know that if you get accepted ED then other schools you've applied will withdraw your application (same as denied admission).

Ask your counselor about this before you make your shot with a "Early Admission" sticker on it.

rodney · 10-24-2009, 12:48 PM

melin: you misundersood my post....

1) yes, Emory would prefer a student who has more AP's rather than less....therefore, the OP should treat this as a slight reach

2) there are schools all over the country, private and public that have 20 AP's available with community college dual enrollment and blah, blah, blah....

there are also schools all over the country that only offer 6 or so AP's, that are extremely rigorous and students may or may not have the opportunity to take additional college credits outside their schools.

3) college admissions officers often (if not always) say that a candidate is evaulated in the context of what is available to them; if a school requires that a student achieve an "A" in a previous honors course to be allowed to take an AP course, that is going to limit how many AP's a student will take; if a school has a placement test for AP's, that will limit aswell, if there is only a certain number of chairs in the classroom, you get my point....unless they have a 4.0 UW GPA, they will have to find other ways to take AP's (online or whatever)....but to assume that they will be able to do that 12-15 times?

4) finally, if Emory places priority on the number of AP courses rather than in context of the candidate's school, your assessment is absolutely correct and I am wrong....

Hope that clears things up....carry on....

Just a note to the OP: the many students I know attending Emory now that were admitted RD have between 4-6 AP's with higher GPA's, so if that's an indication, hope that helps....

melin720 · 10-24-2009, 06:13 PM

Also, this following student was rejected by Emory from our school last year as far as I know (because he was my friend):

4.2 GPA IB Student, survivor of the 68% dropout rate that our IB program suffered due to sucking the souls out of people who couldn't handle 5-7 hours of homework everyday for two years straight in their Junior and Senior years.

4 APs (2 are required curriculum for IB)

12 IBs (IB is a lot more rigorous in our high school than AP; weighted 5.0)

8 or 9 Honors.

Average extracurricular and volunteer work.

Grade: deflated. IB dropouts usually get straight A's after they dropout and get about 0.5-0.7 higher than their current GPA. Knows this because a lot of IB-dropouts sit at our IB lunch table and laugh about how easy the AP courses are and how they actually have time to study for AP exams and get a 4 or 5. Some claim that it's the best decision they've ever made, others say it's the worst since it's too easy even though they're getting 4.5+ GPA and straight 5s on their AP exams.

There are whole tons of others in IB with similar stats that got rejected, but I don't know their grades. But if they got the guts to try out Emory I assume they don't suck.

So I guess when I responded to this thread I was a bit too critical of your success in admission now that I just read rodney's last post. I'm also in IB, so apologies. I lost it completely, it seems, when I saw someone else with a lot lower stats and rigor record getting a "you have a decent chance of admission."

vossron · 10-24-2009, 09:26 PM

"Now if I apply ED and get accepted...I'm forced to go there right even if it's very hard to pay for?"

No. Here are the ED instructions from the Common App:

Quote:

Should a student who applies for financial aid not be offered an award that makes attendance possible, the student may decline the offer of admission and be released from the Early Decision commitment.

https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/..._Agreement.pdf

This means that if the FA offer is insufficient to support attendance (YOUR decision, not theirs), you tell them thanks but no thanks and apply RD elsewhere. But before saying no, talk to the school to see if they can do better. Remember that if a school accepts an ED FA student, the school really, really wants the student.

"if you get accepted ED then other schools you've applied will withdraw your application"

Not true, but if the student accepts the ED FA offer, then the student must withdraw apps to all other schools.

iWorkHard87 · 10-24-2009, 10:36 PM

THank you so much vossron for your help.

My only question is that...how do you prove that the package would be insufficient? My counselor was telling me that I might need attorneys and stuff. But is it just as simple as saying, "thanks but no thanks"? Because what I see from your quote, it seems like a simple response.

Also, my school offers about 11-12 APs. We're not allowed to take APs as Freshmen and rarely any sophomores take APs unless they skipped a math and take AP Calc. I've taken APs everywhere except for science because I'm legit very bad in that subject areas. Also, I have no idea what this IB stuff is. Our school doesn't offer any of that.

Also I have a very good common app essay. Still yet to do my Why Emory essay. Also I have ordered Emory's DVD, visited them twice at the college fair, had a lunch meeting with them at my school, order a lot of their brochures, visited their seminar in my local area.