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I'm Scared!!!!!!

Andres760Andres760 Posts: 57- Junior Member
edited July 2010 in Engineering Majors
Next semester I begin Pre-calculus (Math 12), Chem 1A, and English 1B at the community college I go to. I'm a Chemical Engineering major.

I'm scared that I won't pass my classes no matter how hard I try, and that even if I do pass them I wont be smart enough in the real world; that all I've gained is 'classroom smarts'.
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  • xxsteelxxxxsteelxx Posts: 448Registered User Member
    Relax. Precalculus is easy, it is like a repeat of Algebra 2 with Trig.
    Chemistry 1A is going to be the hardest of those three courses. Read the book before attending lectures and ask for help often.
    English. . . well. . . its english.

    Look I never was a smart student. Really. People think I am but I just study a lot. I try to understand the concepts and do problems even before the professor discusses the topic in class. That is how I got As, otherwise I would I have suffered tremendously. I know myself, I know my limits; you are going to have to learn your limits.

    My advice would be to study the material before it is discussed in class. Then when you attend the lecture you have an idea about what the teacher is talking about, and you will learn better. :)
    Just RELAX. Many people have already gone through the courses you have going to take. *Many*. If they can do it so can you. ;)
  • SublimationSublimation Posts: 5Registered User New Member
    Smart people are the one's who know exactly what they have to do to receive the grade they want. If that means studying an extra hour or two above and beyond what most others do, then that's what they do. Very few people in my experience thus far have been able to just slack off and not study while also receiving the highest grades possible. As long as you stay on top of things, you will be perfectly fine.
  • obesechicken13obesechicken13 Posts: 260Registered User Junior Member
    Do you have any friends who are going to your school? If you do, find a way to study with them, but make it a rule to not just gossip.

    You said you were going to community college. What is the average GPA of entering students? What is the average GPA of engineers? likely it will be a 3.0 entering and a 3.0 in college. What this means is that your grade in college will probably be your grades in high school. There are few exceptions.
  • GShine_1989GShine_1989 Posts: 635Registered User Member
    Troll post? Assuming no, he's probably right. In engineering, about half don't make it and that includes a lot of students from 4-year colleges. So community college students likely have >50% failure rate as they're generally closer to the bottom of the totem pole.

    If you begin to start struggling, switch out as soon as possible -- advice one of my ECE professors gave in a freshman class. He was an undergraduate advisor for the ECE department and dealt with struggling students all the time. Too many people waste a year or more staying in the major, thinking that things will magically change. His experience showed him that they don't.
  • UChopeful2010UChopeful2010 Posts: 652Registered User Member
    "So community college students likely have >50% failure rate as they're generally closer to the bottom of the totem pole."

    Is that prior to transferring, or after transferring?
  • EnginoxEnginox Posts: 828Registered User Member
    @GShine_1989:

    Your post is one of the biggest loads of garbage I've seen in recent months. "If you begin to start struggling, switch out as soon as possible"? No wonder the people he advises fail! The advise I've always received from my family, friends, and a few professors is that if I struggle then embrace that challenge; figure out what I'm doing wrong, what I'm doing right, and how to overcome that challenge; if I fail, learn from the mistakes, adapt, and approach it utilizing the information obtained. Every time I chose to give up on something hard and do something easy instead, I've become more depressed and unhappy.

    The reason engineering may have a low retention rate is because engineering curricula accross many universities sucks. Of course, there are many other factors such as financial difficulties, family responsibilities, personal irresponsibility, etc.

    Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of so many science/engineering types promoting the myth that science/engineering is hard. It is not. People that think they are brilliant because they are able to manipulate some Hindi symbols around but forget the fact that the high quality of Mathematics and Science we use today is thanks to the hard work of thousands of people during the past 7,000 years. I find it sadly humorous that some primates think they are geniuses because their physiology is capable of routing more blood through the brain.

    I would also like to see proof to back up your claim that community college students are lower in the totem pole and may have over 50% fail rate, because I will shortly link proof that disagrees with your statement.

    It's about time we became more honest with each other. The main reason anyone may fail academically (or at anything) is mostly due to lack of willpower and determination. Those that give up at the first sign of trouble are losers.

    Engineering retention:

    http://www4.uwm.edu/acad_aff/blackandgold/Data/Strategies%20for%20Improving%20Student%20Success%20and%20Satisfaction/Retention%20Presentation%202002%20-%20Engineering.pdf

    IEEE Spectrum: Engineering schools that tie theory and practice together retain more students

    Community College Success Rates:

    Methodology and Implications of Statewide Success Rates of Community College Students.

    News: Community Colleges and Graduation Rates - Inside Higher Ed

    CCRC: Publication
  • hadsedhadsed Posts: 738Registered User Member
    Enginox, what is the highest level of physics, engineering or mathematics class you've taken? I'm curious to know why you think science and engineering aren't difficult.
  • ME 76ME 76 Posts: 321Registered User Member
    I'm with hadsed. The fact is that science/engineering is one of the most difficult and rigorous degrees. This is fact. High level engineering and mathematics are some of the most challenging courses out there. Enginox, have you taken graduate level engineering or math courses? Either you have not and you have no idea how challenging they are or you have and you are just trying to sound special by saying how easy science and engineering are.

    The retention rate in engineering isn't one of the lowest among all degrees because the courses are too easy.
  • obesechicken13obesechicken13 Posts: 260Registered User Junior Member
    This topic is dead since the OP never read our replies, but I also take some issue with enginox's logic
    It's about time we became more honest with each other. The main reason anyone may fail academically (or at anything) is mostly due to lack of willpower and determination. Those that give up at the first sign of trouble are losers.
    First off, engineering is harder than most nonengineering courses. The workload is harder and you need a lot of creativity and inventiveness to simply answer many of the problems. Most of our work is repeating what others have proven in the past, however a lot of us have to design our own things, or spend time working with numbers just for fun. We aren't just bsing our work.

    In addition, if you believe in a linear theory of time, then you will know that everything has a cause. Lack of willpower is nothing to be ashamed of if the environment you grew up in leads to you having a lack of willpower. Most engineers are raised so that they try really hard, much harder than their arts counterparts who party all day.

    Though you have to admit there is a degree people are capable of working given their environment. It's unreasonable to assume someone will be 100% efficient in studying.
  • GShine_1989GShine_1989 Posts: 635Registered User Member
    "Enginox's logic" is an oxymoron. I'm not sure what that whole rant was about. Hindi symbols? 7,000 years? Physiology? This guy tries too hard to sound smart. I find it funny that he, a student at some NY community college, thinks he knows better than an engineering academic advisor at Illinois. I doubt he's taken any difficult upper division courses so that would explain the naivete.
  • EnginoxEnginox Posts: 828Registered User Member
    ^I'm positive you are a genius. ;)

    Let me expand on that: I certainly hope you maintain(ed) a 4.0 GPA and never struggle(d) in any STEM classes.
  • GShine_1989GShine_1989 Posts: 635Registered User Member
    No, but I did maintain a 3.9+ and never struggled in any STEM classes. I'm sure I could've pulled a 4.0 at your community college, though.
  • EnginoxEnginox Posts: 828Registered User Member
    Excellent. Thanks for proving engineering/science is not hard. ;)
  • MagnetoMagneto Posts: 601Registered User Member
    Well I have to agree with Enginox. Science/Engineering topics arent really hard but there are other factors to consider if someone struggles with them. Why is it that no one takes into account that maybe the teachers are the problem, or the student isnt used to the environment in which its taught, or maybe the school isnt for them or something else? As someone who struggled with his first couple of years, I didnt find the classes difficult, just more of other factors that made the class difficult. I dont believe that science/engineering are meant to be hard, though I have heard horror stories about Chem E
  • GShine_1989GShine_1989 Posts: 635Registered User Member
    Excellent. Thanks for proving engineering/science is not hard.
    Oh? Topic being difficult means I have to be struggling? Community college education at work. Beautiful.

    You talking about taking difficult courses is like a virgin trying to write a sex guide.
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